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Bobcat and others make little critter carts, they call them utility vehicles. Our Bobcat 2200 will tote something around 1200 lbs or slightly more. That's a lot of hogs, riffles, ammo and accessories of all sorts.

WR Moore
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 00:49:24 (ZULU)

The Kubota version can even be converted to a brush truck

complete with pump, tank , litter, etc

http://mtbethel.warrenfire.org/mtbethel/Apparatus_files/IMG_1535.jpg

medicjim
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 01:17:27 (ZULU)

Either I'm the victim ofan elaborate scam or I won a $2500+ US Optics scope on LRH. Click for a description. The announcement is on page 225 of the same link. Someone double check it for me please. I'm not getting excited until the big brown truck pulls up.

"If something seems too good to be true, it ain't"____Aldo Raine

CDC'
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 04:40:15 (ZULU)

CDC

You win a $2500.00 scope that means you have to buy a $3000.00 gun to put it on.

Congrats man.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Monday, June 21, 2010, at 10:32:24 (ZULU)

CDC...

I know Len Backus, and he is good people.

You own it!

Wanna send it to me for an evaluation :))

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 21, 2010, at 16:59:18 (ZULU)

Re: US Optics $2500 Rifle Scope Give Away Contest

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And the winner is.... Drumroll !

CDC'

He even gets a drumroll !!

Congrats CDC !

Buying a round for the Hogs & Hogets ????

Regards,

Joisey Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Monday, June 21, 2010, at 17:03:21 (ZULU)

to MedicJim: Drumroll now Standing Ovation. Congratulations. Good Karma wins again. :)

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Monday, June 21, 2010, at 18:19:35 (ZULU)

Hey luck is the lady!

CDC congratulations.

Yotemiester
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 19:33:27 (ZULU)

Kat,

CDC won the scope, not me.

medicjim
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 21:00:41 (ZULU)

Oh Gosh, Kat; Don't you remember the old Sinatra song? Gee's I'm so old! Sorry if I confused the issue. I'm old and Dan is lucky. :(.

Yoter
Monday, June 21, 2010, at 22:50:29 (ZULU)

oh oops. Well you both deserve to win something!

Hey Bill - sure I remember it :) In my history books (there!)

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 00:23:37 (ZULU)

Ken H,

Email inbound to addy given. Clean-No attachments.Subject line reads Magna

Good Luck,

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 03:23:44 (ZULU)

Rod Regier

Have you heard from Pete Lincoln. I've been trying to get in touch with him, but i'm not having any luck.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 11:23:44 (ZULU)

Kat you should have said "I'm waaay too young to remember that!"

When you get a shot....... take it. :):)

Yoter
Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 14:49:37 (ZULU)

On the PRHAT comment, I read an article in a bike rag about "Power Rangers Vs. Pirates" and in another about a custom bike builder that puts "Decepticon" (ask your kids) stickers on his bikes. I just put 2&2 together ; )

None of the sportbike riders here fit the desription. They ride in T-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops. The definition of SQUID (so quick until I die)

My favorite T shirt is dayglo green, and in BIG letters says, "CAN YOU SEE ME NOW ASSHOLE?" heeheehee

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 16:58:11 (ZULU)

Gary:

I haven't heard from Pete Lincoln in a long time.

I've stumbled across some of his postings on other boards on occasion.

I'll have a look around, if I see anything "recent" I'll

point you at the current "tracks" I found.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 18:03:36 (ZULU)

Gary:

Suggest contacting Pete Lincoln at his company address to re-establish initial contact.

http://www.roedaleprecision.com/epages/itsme.htm

Roedale Precision - Pete Lincoln

Pete Lincoln is a Fully Qualified Master Riflesmith with over 22 years experience in Firearms Design, Modification and Manufacture. Originally from East Yorkshire-England, has been hunting since he was big enough to carry a gun. Interested in all things mechanical from a very young age. Pete was often to be found in the fitters workshop of his Fathers haulage business, helping out the mechanics and when no one was looking, building variouse mechanical devices, most of which could be loaded and fired.

In 1986, Pete followed the familiy tradition and joined the British Army. After basic training he embarked on a technical apprenticeship as a REME Armourer. Qualifying as a Class 1 Armourer in 1992. Going on to gain the recognized civilian Engineering Qualifications as a Gun Smith, gaining the German Equivalent of a HND in Engineering and Qualifying as a Master Riflesmith.

Pete collected a wealth of experience in firearms repair, modification and manufacture, especially with Precision Sniper Rifles, as well as becoming an accumplished marksman during his 10 years Military service.

After leaving the Army in 1996. Pete went on to work full time as a Field Engineer with a Defence Contractor for the MOD. From 1999 to November 2007 he worked full time in the Space Industry. During 1994 Pete began working part time ( If you can call 40+ hours a week part time) as a Gunsmith for a major German Sporting Firearms Retailer, an activity which continued until the launch of Roedale Precision as a part time business in 2005.

Never satisfied with the reliability or accuracy of mass produced firearms. Pete started building his own custom rifles based on factory actions. Hunting partners, friends and shop customers began to take note of the accuracy and reliability of his rifles and soon began to ask “ Can you build me a rifle too ?”.

Due to increased demand Pete decided to start a dedicated custom rifle business and Roedale Precision Rifles was launced in 2005. We combine traditional Craftsmanship and Precision Engineering with Experience and Technology from the Defence and Aerospace Industries.

Specializing in Custom and Semi-Custom Built rifles, based on accurised factory actions and custom manufactured actions.

Roedale Precision build rifles to meet and exceed customer specifications, Pete has definate ideas on rifle design and ergonomics, many of which are incorporate into our basic rifle packages.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 23:05:17 (ZULU)

Wisconsin is a better place to live today.

Also somewhat ironic on where this happened.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hw-gd18QfMML2ft-ZWZi1mJxwd0QD9GGF2A00

Joe Udelhofen
Oconomowoc, WI, USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2010, at 23:30:39 (ZULU)

test

Critter
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 02:00:39 (ZULU)

I finally got out to shoot the Kahr P380 for the first time. I picked up one box of PPU (croat or serb manufacture) brand 90 gr ball, two boxes of Blazer 95 gr and one box of PMC (I think) 94 gr ball. I also tested a few Fed hollow points. That's four different manufacturers, over 150 rounds fired without any cleaning or prep, just took the weapon out of the box and shot. I used the two mags that came with it and one additonal I bought from Kahr...

The weapon jammed once...and that was just a failure to fully chamber...the round was half in the chamber when I cleared it and drove on.

I even tried 'limp wristing' it to see if it would jam...no way.

My new pistol serial number is in the 7xxx range and it's a keeper. WAY more accurate than my j frame and the sights are not bad at all...

medicjim
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 04:03:11 (ZULU)

Does anyone - probably Pblo - know if HBV stock will fit a 70 wsm with 2-piece bottom metal?

CDC'
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 05:46:55 (ZULU)

Rod

I tried the comp. E-Mail. No luck. I've got a package to get to him , just wanted to varify his mailing address.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 10:42:02 (ZULU)

CDC

I can go do some switching around if you want.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 10:52:56 (ZULU)

Pete Lincoln

Jahn Str 23

D-49205 Hasbergen

Germany

medicjim
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 13:50:58 (ZULU)

Gary Kaney: Check for me, would you please?

CDC'
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 15:08:00 (ZULU)

Medic Jim

Thanks for the info.

CDC

It looks to me as the HBV stock will go on a WSM, but it will take some work with a dremel tool. The screw holes line up. The mag. well on the HBV is a little narrower, and so appears the recoil lug. It came real close to going on.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 16:43:45 (ZULU)

CDC - I have a win 70 Coyote (7WSM) sitting in a Win Stealth stock from HS precision (donor rifle was 308). Not sure if that helps in any way, but it fit straight up.

medicjim
Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 19:47:09 (ZULU)

The Kahr sounds great. Wow, limp wristing a blowback and no feed problems. Yet another thing on my wish list. How is the double action? Bet a lot better than the old PPK/S!

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 20:41:29 (ZULU)

Old Motorcycle country:

Hogs/'Indian heads'/etc...

These are up for grabs - owned by folks that I work with (good people). Here's a cut from a note I just received:

"I have 2 Indian verticals (149's) and a Honda '69. The Honda is complete plus lots of parts, and the 2 Indians are parts bikes - could be sold by part. I guess the guy may want more information or pictures. I also have a '43 scout that I probably want to keep - but willing to discuss...."

If any of youn'z are interested... send a note to KENH AT HUNTERS DOT ORG

KEN

Ken Hunter
Nokesville, Va, Keep America - God Fearing, armed and free!!! - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 21:02:32 (ZULU)

CDC

My stock was from a 22/250 going to the 7WSM i bought from you. I'll try the stock from my 308 this evening.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 22:03:34 (ZULU)

CDC

Measured the differences between the two ( 7WSM &HBV) it's only .0001. It's snug at the reciever end, but plenty of room down the barrel channel.You could put 3 layers of Wheaties boxes between the barrel and stock.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 22:36:26 (ZULU)

CDC

Forgot to mention the recoil lugs are slighty different. The Coyote has tapered end and the HBV has a squared end.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 22:49:34 (ZULU)

new product alert:

http://www.nkhome.com/kestrel/kestrel-BLUETOOTH/

Base (new) 4000 is $459 direct from Kestrel. Claimed stock.

Bluetooth® Kestrel® Meters

Introducing the ALL NEW Kestrel Pocket Weather Meter with wireless Bluetooth® technology.

Kestrel Weather Meters with integrated Bluetooth® technology offer the ultimate in portable and accurate environmental data. A complete, hand-held weather station- measure and log numerous critical environmental conditions; wind speed, wind direction, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, altitude, density altitude, wet bulb, dewpoint and more.

Now, both real-time and logged data can be transferred wirelessly and automatically to a laptop or PDA, making a Kestrel 4000 series weather meter the perfect tool for virtually any job that requires quick and reliable weather data.

Bluetooth® wireless technology is available throughout the entire Kestrel 4000 series, including specialty Kestrel units.

Break Boundaries with Kestrel Bluetooth®.

Kestrel Pocket Weather Meters have specifically customized our Bluetooth® integration to answer the unique needs of our customers:

Streamline your work and reduce your equipment in the field - wireless data transmission eliminates the need for a separate interface and cabling.

Every Bluetooth® Kestrel will include custom communication software designed to quickly and easily configure your data transmission frequency, download logged data, graph data, and transfer data to other applications.

Data transmission range adjustment allows you to maximize power to communicate with your Kestrel at up to a 30 feet range, or reduce power for closer, more secure operation.

Individual unit ID’s ensure you pair with the Kestrel you want, even when more than one system is operating in the same area.

Permanently coded unique 4-digit Pin numbers provide extra security when pairing and transmitting data

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, June 23, 2010, at 23:12:50 (ZULU)

Managed to inherit one of GA Precision's SCLE Limited Edition Rock rifles recently. It's really weird to have a rifle that you have to work at to have it shoot OUTSIDE the X-ring.....Wow.

Charles S. Hunt
Spring Branch, Texas, USA - Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 00:35:43 (ZULU)

Left the States on June 6, and just returned. Boy, am I missing a lot of reading. Anyone know when the missing days will be in the Archives?

HDR
OK, - Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 01:12:35 (ZULU)

Old Bikes....

Coming down a pass, my clutch lever went limp in the twisties. Managed to find a place to skid to a stop. Fortunately, was traveling with my mechanic, who patched it up, 'til it broke coming into the next town. Just got the parts today. The thrust bearing disintegrated and the thrust washers on the push-rod were welded to the rod.

I hate Harley's....

Duman
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 02:45:52 (ZULU)

All this bike talk has me thinking I'd like to get back on one.

I have no garage, so whatever I get has to be light enough to move in and out of a shed in the back yard (across 100 yards of grass).

Who makes a RELIABLE cruiser in the ~500 cc range that is fairly light?

medicjim
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 03:25:05 (ZULU)

Thanks for the info on the HBV stock, gentlemen. It solves an ongoing problem.

Charles S. Hunt: Congratulations on the blessed event.

CDC'
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 03:46:35 (ZULU)

Greetings,

Took my 8 year old daughter out shooting for the first time after years of talking about gun safety and dry firing. She loved it. The .22 cricket with the hot pink stock that has been sitting in the gun safe for the past couple fo years was finally getting rounds downrange.

It was funny how you could explain the principle of marksmanship to a young mind with no preconceived notions, she applies them and shoots accurately.

After a couple of hours, I almost had to pry her away (...we really got to know now honeye....) Her comment, "Daddy, I can see how come you like this so much."

The icing on the cake is this week when she came home from girl scout camp and told me I was right all these years, praire dogs carry the black plague and I was doing a public serivce shooting them all these years.

There is a God.

Pat II
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 05:06:43 (ZULU)

Jim,

Check out the Kawasaki KLR-650....

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New York, US of A - Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 13:06:48 (ZULU)

Kevin (Andy's Dad),

Great to see you online !! Been awhile.

I had a KLR-650, early 90's. It's one of the most popular bikes around. My complaint was it was geared a bit too much for highway, the low gears made it sluggish on the trail, the torque was too low for my taste. They put a new engine/tranny in the early 2000's, I haven't ridden one of those.

Duman
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 14:49:59 (ZULU)

Lito, mail sent via the board. S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 15:30:58 (ZULU)

Jim my 850 BMW weighs 500 fueled with fairing and bags. They have some other models for short halls designated F or G i think that are lighter and more nimble. You could ride my Beemer across the grass it's half the weight of a Harley. No K models they are heavy! Mine is a R series. Yeah they are expensive but not like a Harley.

Brogers
Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 17:42:00 (ZULU)

CDC,

It sure looks like you won to me!!!

Let us know!

Congrats!

Michael

Michael
LG, CA, USA - Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 18:14:07 (ZULU)

Pat II: Congratulations! That's about when my dad first started teaching me. A great start to a future interest (and sane voter). I didn't know what a prarie dog looked like until many years later - also I still have my first two rifles!

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Thursday, June 24, 2010, at 20:07:53 (ZULU)

Got this from another web site and it is worth watching "Marine Sings The Rest" of The National Anthem. http://www.wtaq.com/blogs/post/jbader/2010/jun/14/marine-sings-rest-national-anthem/

HDR
OK, - Friday, June 25, 2010, at 01:47:47 (ZULU)

Does it still work? Gosh I thought it had died.

Yote
Friday, June 25, 2010, at 22:21:44 (ZULU)

Ken M...

I no get your email.

It's MedicJim's fault :)))

I sent myself one from here and I no get it either :((

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, June 27, 2010, at 09:53:22 (ZULU)

Gents,

Roster Mail no workie....too vulnerable. This is the primary driver for looking at alternate board software

medicjim
Sunday, June 27, 2010, at 12:40:07 (ZULU)

Spam aint bad if you stirfry it with diced jalapeno and pineapple.

Don't know if I could eat tons of it though. ; )

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Sunday, June 27, 2010, at 19:23:20 (ZULU)

he US Optics scope I won on LRH was delivered yesterday. I'm going to use it.

Anyone want a deal on a mint 8-32x56 Sightron? Google it. It's a hell of a good scope.

CDC'
Sunday, June 27, 2010, at 22:58:41 (ZULU)

I have a friend that has at least 3 Kahr pistols. He just bought their new .380 ACP. That thing is tiny.

Jerry

Jerry
Annapolis, MD, USA - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 02:20:49 (ZULU)

Good news.

I woke to really great news this morning...

... that senile old bastard, Senator Byrd of W.Va is dead.

There IS a God!

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 12:16:37 (ZULU)

Lito,

http://www.hermes-press.com/completing2.htm

Down with the Tyrants !!

Joisey

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey Peoples republic of, Usa - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 13:45:33 (ZULU)

Second good news today - I need to buy some Power Ball tickets...

NEWS FLASH.

The right to own handguns affirmed!

US Supreme Court finds for the plaintiff in the Chicago handgun case - now second amendment applies to ALL 50 states.

NYC, Chicago, and the others... eat your friggin' hearts out.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, Da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 15:14:23 (ZULU)

more in 2A incorporation:

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=13956

Statement by Wayne LaPierre Executive Vice President, NRA and Chris W. Cox Executive Director, NRA-ILA Regarding U.S. Supreme Court Decision McDonald v. City of Chicago

Monday, June 28, 2010

Today marks a great moment in American history. This is a landmark decision. It is a vindication for the great majority of American citizens who have always believed the Second Amendment was an individual right and freedom worth defending.

The Supreme Court said what a majority of the American public believes. The people who wrote the Second Amendment said it was an individual right, and the Court has now confirmed what our founding fathers wrote and intended. The Second Amendment -- as every citizen’s constitutional right -- is now a real part of American Constitutional law.

But, Supreme Court decisions have to lead to actual consequences or the whole premise of American constitutional authority collapses. Individual freedom must mean you can actually experience it. An incorporated freedom has to be a real freedom.

The intent of the founding fathers -- and the Supreme Court -- was to provide access. Words must have meaning.

The Supreme Court has now said the Second Amendment is an individual freedom for all. And that must have meaning. This decision must provide relief to law-abiding citizens who are deprived of their Second Amendment rights.

We are practical guys. We don’t want to win on philosophy and lose on freedom. The end question is, can law-abiding men and women go out and buy and own a firearm? Today the Supreme Court said yes – anywhere they live!

This decision cannot lead to different measures of freedom, depending on what part of the country you live in. City by city, person by person, this decision must be more than a philosophical victory. An individual right is no right at all if individuals can’t access it. Proof of Heller and McDonald will be law abiding citizens, one by one, purchasing and owning firearms.

The NRA will work to ensure this constitutional victory is not transformed into a practical defeat by activist judges, defiant city councils, or cynical politicians who seek to pervert, reverse, or nullify the Supreme Court’s McDonald decision through Byzantine labyrinths of restrictions and regulations that render the Second Amendment inaccessible, unaffordable, or otherwise impossible to experience in a practical, reasonable way.

What good is a right without the gun? What good is the right if you can’t buy one? Or keep one in your home? Or protect your family with one?

Here’s a piece of paper – protect yourself. That’s no right at all!

Victory is when law abiding men and women can get up, go out, and buy and own a firearm. This is a monumental day. But NRA will not rest until every law-abiding American citizen is able to exercise the individual right to buy and own a firearm for self defense or any other lawful purpose.

Nice birthday present for me :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 16:41:11 (ZULU)

Happy Birthday Rod and what you posted so true. Rights affirmed is good but the mindset it took to confuse the issue is still around.

I've already heard the media reporting that it is now legal to have a handgun in your home no matter where you live in the states. What part of Keep and Bear do they not understand? Apparently the "Bear" part is still confusing them.

Brogers
Monday, June 28, 2010, at 17:03:14 (ZULU)

Howdy folks. Beena while, but its been a grind out here. Still dealing with "the case." An ordeal of the first order. But I am still here....at least in spirit.

Expected ruling, and I was glad for that. We are one hartbeat away from losing the republic on the court---that is evident. I wish the ruling went jut a little farther is outlining its view of reasonable on any restrictions---those will now be litigated like a national scattegories' game. Frak. It'll take years to settle those questions.

Econo-country: I bored ya to tears with this stuff....but late breaking happenings are starting to back up my claims over these many years. Structural deficits are the root cause. The fed is set tomontize going forward. The dollar is still a two stage currency (domestic use/ international use). Near 2% drop in global trade with a more alarming drop of40% on the baltic dry index. Not good news in these times. And the driving force is either incompetently misunderstood---or is known and the intent is to do what is happening on purpose. That force is a federal beast scarfing up capital by the trillions while dumping greenbacks globally. With investment banks' access to the fed's discount window (like handing a gambler your ATM card)---the markets gave a false sign of recovery, but the low volume told the real story---carry trade. Copper collapsed 3 months ago---that was the warning for those watching. Greece ran afoul of our deficts; the investment capital that they neded is finite---and we had just entered our second year of mopping it up some 300-400% above our worst years' borrowing----we squeezed them out. Congress was, and still is, the problem.

Keep watching the financials and business sheets. Between the economic stuff and the political discord among the states and fed, serious division in the population itself, and throw in some foreign policy faux paus for good masure---we have ourselves the ingredients for the perfect storm of social upheaval.

On the lighter side, Peanut has her green belt now, and I hope to see her push to Brown by Christmas. She will easily have that brown stripe by then. The younger two will test this coming month for their greens. The transition in this art is a major one at that point---this is where weapons forms become part of the testing, and Judo and Hapkido become more blended in the main, as well as separate tests at the boards. Up until now, we have done "one steps" as a wrote technique. This test and all others it is more of a free form, with three steps thrown in and now we begin two steps. These are "thinking/ acting" drills. 3 step is a defensive retreat that alters the footwork wihin any given technique chosen to 180 degrees from how it was learned; interesting mind game. One steps now have two opponents, too.

It is a proud pppa moment to see the princesses pick this stuff up with such mental and physical agility. I find I have to pound it past old habits with lotsa effort out in the garage between sessions. It is working though---I am now a student instructor at the academy. 8 months and counting...

Hey: I recommend this to anyone who feels old. Serioulsy, the slow, painful work through joint pain was almost a stop sign. I dailed back on the speed stuff and focused on flexibility at times, and got through. I certainly know where my physical limits are--the hard-broke stuff (shoulder, back, knees)---but I also can do things within these limits I could not imagine prior to this. Just touching the floor again in a long stretch amazes me. In the push to get ready plus the instructor stuff last week---I did 8 lessons, 3 hours of kali and some homework (the girls did two lessons each and a test--the rest was instructing/ make up for child illness for me). By Thursday, I felt ten years younger!

I turn 46 this month....it's never too late:-))

Summer reading recommendation: Go Rin No Sho, by Musashi

If you've read Sun Tzu, this is right up your alley.

I'll be by from time to time to get caught up...but I'm still decisively engaged in court as yet. My focus--the children...and the children. As it should be....

Joe M
Monday, June 28, 2010, at 18:07:00 (ZULU)

Glad (our) Peanut is doing so well...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Sanford, Texas, United States - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 20:22:44 (ZULU)

Kat: I read it years ago, or parts of it. I did not have the patience back then for study....but parts of this work stoodout, even to my younger self. Decided it was time to revisit. So there I am...."what the heck was that japanese art of war series called?" I was suprised at the number of people--random folks--that knew this answer:-))

Sharon: Peanut has some challenges left over from the treatments. One was (is) math. This year, she decided that she would make a statement, and boyo did he ever! Hers is a time problem, not really ability---it just takes her twice as long to work through a problem--she can, but never had the time in class. Long story short--they had to re-goal her midway throuh the year from "minimal grade" to "excellence in grade" for math----all born on stubbornly long nights of practice and memorization. I had to turn the lights out twice on many a night--she would go right back at it when I walked downstairs. I am so proud of her; perserverence and indominable spirit all rolled into a sweet disposition. When we tested last week---I gave her my old belt as my "inspiration":-))

Ack....time to get ready to go for tonight's lessons.

Joe M
Monday, June 28, 2010, at 20:53:39 (ZULU)

"The Force is strong in this family it is..." Hmm, that should have come from Yote

The timing stuff "te-dum" is incredible (stopwatch/chrono for his era) and great job of "treading down the boards!" :)

I just was reading some really good stuff here on the Roster from '98 or so.

Best to all

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Monday, June 28, 2010, at 21:08:37 (ZULU)

Joe M..Good to hear from you. Don't stay gone so long this time.

HDR
OK, - Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 01:24:24 (ZULU)

Joe... I am sure she will persevere... She has an excellent example to show her the way.

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 02:17:08 (ZULU)

Saw the ruling only as a half a**ed ruling. Why would half of the justices not see that as an individual right. The lib judge used the old liberal view of the 2d arming the militia. Have they not read the Constitution? Lets try Article One, Section 8, Line 16, it reads:

"To provide for organizing, ARMING, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

Now why would they include an Amendment to arm the militia??????

Joe - Glad to hear Peanut is doing well! :)

'Lito - Shame on you for wishing that old bastard ill!!!! Never have I seen a worse case of "here, press this button, now you can go back to your cage." The Dims really wanted their BS agenda pushed.

CDC - don't get rid of the other scope yet. Just saying........

Well, another day of sweltering heat and another tomorrow. Luckily I will be indoors in a air conditioned range shooting live ammo at targets up to 1000 meters away. :)

Have fun guys!!

Rick B
Raeford, NC, USA - Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 02:37:24 (ZULU)

Joe it's so good to hear from you. Your teaching those girls something thats more valuable than math in this coming world and math is high on my list!

Rick; that indoor range is a shameful thing! How do you make it rain in there? :). Ole Yote is tired tonight. sk. sk.

Yote
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 04:54:24 (ZULU)

CDC,

on the Sightron, the only option in reticles is the Mil-Dot, which is what I assume this one is? How much are you asking for it? Trades? You can reply here or to my email: bravo tango echo romeo victor at extremely warm mail.com

Thanks, Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 05:36:39 (ZULU)

Joe: As long as we're discussing the education of the next generation and Musashi, may I suggest that you teach your daughters an updated version of "The Way of the Carpenter". Teach them to use their hands effectively.

CDC'
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 14:46:43 (ZULU)

The court ruling reasserts the individuals right to keep and bear arms, but does not remove the restrictions on such things as machine guns or other instruments of war. Also, the ruling does not remove the (some places) onerous process of acquiring a firearm.

duman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 18:44:56 (ZULU)

CDC: Funny you mention that...the girl and I have been building a set of "bedrooms" for their American Girl dolls. The cost was one driver; these thing are ridiculous. But the basics of woodworking are also part of it. Nicole is taking the most away from this project--the other two are a bit young yet to grasp the finer points.

Duman: Those issues were deliberately set aside for separate litigation by the court. I think Kennedy may not be reliable on this point, so we got what we got. But it is a foundation on which to argue "reasonable" standards. As with Roe---the "right" should look the same here and there---those precedents abound in the law. Any "new" precedents based on geography lay the groundwork for the destruction of liberal wet dreams, like abortion unrestricted sea to sea. Ha. Catch 22. If they do not smooth out variances between locations....it opens many, may doors to other restrictions bsed on "local standards"--something they will be aware of as they try to contort around the problem. Bad law is vulnerable law:-))

Joe M
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 19:28:49 (ZULU)

I wish they had said "keep,bear, and obtain" The problem with people of old is that they took for granted that people wouldn't try to find "loopholes" in everything and would take things like the law in the spirit it was conceived. Unfortunately we have lawyers who are hatched from devils of deceit these days. Not to mention Zealots who would have us accept "what is good for us" at great cost of Liberty and well being.

The problem will pop up to greet us in the form of prohibitions on sales and movement of firearms in and out of these traditional areas of mischief againist the constitutional right to Keep and Bear to mention New York, New Jersey and Chicago if you want to ignore California. Makes one wonder if the supreme court felt they didn't want to really solve the issue but wanted it to be lingering the courts until a clear direction of how far they can really go in either direction. Perhaps the issue seemed to be solved by their decisions and like the founding fathers authors, it just didn't seem to need clarification. That seems unlikely to me. Why the NRA didn't pursue that a little further I can't explain. I didn't see the transcript so it's possible I'm full of it.

Yote
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 19:43:29 (ZULU)

Yote - The founders gave us a great start...they never believed it would endure or progress without "we the people" taking the ball and running with it...

They were successful

We failed.

medicjim
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 20:10:04 (ZULU)

Jim; Roger on that, so true. Did we just get tired or give up on the idea. I think the answer to that would be very important to the future of this feedom thing.

Yote
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 21:21:08 (ZULU)

Much of the slippage on the Second appears to have happened in the first half of the twentieth century..

Right around the time food became something you could afford to buy all the time

medicjim
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 21:44:06 (ZULU)

I remember not too long ago when you were considered a bit of a criminal if you distrusted the Governments handling of the 2nd issue. "What? You don't support gun control? People like you caused the death of JFK! What do you need with a 'Automatic rifle'(semi)? Nobody needs a gun like that!" You might even have been an editor of a Gun or Sportsman's magazine or even a NRA director. I remember almost being thrown out of this bar for suggesting there were Black Helicopters with no insignia operating out here in this country. Is there anyone left who hasn't seen the DEA pouring out of a Black Huey?" We change opinions like underwear in this country.

Yote
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 21:56:25 (ZULU)

May I take liberty of adapting the old Irish Toast. "May we be broke and in slavery for a 100 years before we know it's here!"

Yote
Tuesday, June 29, 2010, at 22:26:37 (ZULU)

What is the easiest way to get the ring out of the primer pocket in Lake City .223 brass?

P. Hayden
USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 00:09:23 (ZULU)

Dillon Swagger for removing crimps here. Best money I spent.

Good luck

Jerry
Annapolis, MD, USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 00:13:24 (ZULU)

Does the Dillon tool remove the ring inside the pocket as well as the three-pronged crimps?

Hayden
USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 00:34:17 (ZULU)

The Supreme Court decision was important not because it was a "win", but because it was not a "loss". If it had gone the other way, that would be the end of the game. So not losing was enough. For this case, for now.

Sometimes you go to court and it is not so much that winning gets you something, but it's "not losing". It is a little like "dying" and "not dying". Sometimes "not dying" is enough. We went home alive, and live to work another day. Now we fight over inches or feet on a thousand different fields. We will lose some, and win some, but the losses won't kill us. On the main point, we prevailed. Now it is about the details.

"You just fulfilled the first rule of law enforcement: make sure when your shift is over you go home alive. Here endeth the lesson."

Hayden
USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 01:08:50 (ZULU)

Hayden - the visual of the Brady Bunch celebrating was almost too much for my appetite...bleah. The little spins places like Yahoo news put on it was bad enough :)

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 01:15:03 (ZULU)

+1 on Dillon SS600 for crimped primer pockets. It smoothes it all out. Used it for lots of 9mmx19, 5.56 and 7.62 mil-spec brass. I mounted mine on a piece of 2x4 and swage while watching videos. Since it is mostly by feel and there are no live reloading components involved it is safe enought.

Little trick - if the swage just falls into the pocket (after proper adjustment) then that piece has a too-large pocket. Toss it in the scrap bucket.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 01:59:18 (ZULU)

"the visual of the Brady Bunch celebrating was almost too much for my appetite..."

I edited that out of the post because it was too revolting to think about. I can accept that reasonable people differ over appropriate legislation to regulate firearms. But I hate the thought of someone else dictating how I am to live, especially if it is "for my own good", whether it comes from the right or the left.

Hayden
USA - Wednesday, June 30, 2010, at 02:49:15 (ZULU)

Jerry/Rod - Thanks. Ordered the Dillon SS600.

Hayden
USA - Thursday, July 1, 2010, at 05:42:17 (ZULU)

Hayden: You want to be careful of the nut on your Dillon swager loosening. That's my one complaint about that tool.

Eric in Kodiac: Email didn't work. $640 - or a good .300 Win or WSM sporter - for the new Sightron 8-32x56 Fine CH. Replacement MilDots are $100. Sightron appears to be the best value on the market.

CDC'
Thursday, July 1, 2010, at 08:04:58 (ZULU)

Dillion Swager tips.

A SMALL dab of BLUE Loctite will keep the nut in place.

Polish the Black Oxide finish off the bidiness end of the swage

your using.

Prevents brass pickup and makes things run smoother.

Use a good lube (Grease) on the Cam and Pins.

When mounting the tool to anything, allow for operating handle

overhang.

Remember when changing between lots of Brass recheck crimp removal

as this tool uses Web thickness to control Swage depth.

Regards,

Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New joisey, Usa - Thursday, July 1, 2010, at 09:41:12 (ZULU)

Old Brit update:

The '51 Golden Flash runs !!! Actually got it running a couple days after we picked it up.Carb leaks...but they all did/do.The drip guard for the mag has been removed when the previous owner made a manifold extension to lengthen the intake track tryin to super tune it.First couple kicks showed no spark,nothing that cleaning the point plate and the points themselves couldnt fix. Four kicks and some fresh gas later it was ticking over nicely.

Trans is wacked and wont shift.Seems the guy wore out the quadrant plate the shift forks ride in with all the first-second then back to first shifting during his trail rides.He tried to weld up the plate and then regrind it but didnt do such a hot job and it locks up,wont shift up or down. Got a pretty good idea he didnt clearance it enough but will know more when I get another in hand.Parts seem to work when all apart just not when its together.

Click name to see a '54 G/Flash a guy restored.Still waiting on the guy to dig up his books and whatever paperwork and any other loose parts he had.We got all the big pieces,its the little parts.Still trying to decide to bring it back to the way he had it or go back to factory. They sure are pretty in factory trim, tho.Make 'em too pretty and things have a way of either disappearing or gettin smashed.

Hope you all have a Safe and Happy Independence Day !!!

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, July 1, 2010, at 23:15:54 (ZULU)

UnPatrick Jolly Good! Keep us posted on the progress. Just me but I would go for the factory original as much as possible.On something like that there's not much to go by as far as a pricing thing. But making it like original can't hurt!

Yote
Friday, July 2, 2010, at 16:07:54 (ZULU)

Everybody enjoy the long weekend, but BE SAFE. Thanks to our Service people that are away from home. May God bless and keep them safe.

HDR
OK, - Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 00:41:03 (ZULU)

Happy Canada Day,

Happy Independence Day,

Stay Safe, each and every one of you!

(Jim, thanks for the email, but I still had to do this under the old addy)

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb, Canada - Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 01:17:43 (ZULU)

Luck remains a lady. I just drew a dream elk tag. That's much better than any scope. This is fantastic.

CDC'
Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 01:46:11 (ZULU)

CDC, as someone that has witnessed more tragedy than can likely be imagined, it gives me joy to see you on this winning spree...I hope you find yourself on a twenty year roll.

Sean, I'll take another look tomorrow night...not sure what's up

medicjim
Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 04:36:49 (ZULU)

CDC, that aint luck. It's Karma! Have fun with the hunt.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 16:55:21 (ZULU)

in the news:

http://www.army.mil/-news/2010/06/23/41283-army-begins-shipping-improved-556mm-cartridge/

PICATINNY ARSENAL, N.J. (June 23, 2010) -- The Army announced today it has begun shipping its new 5.56mm cartridge, the M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round, to support warfighters in Afghanistan.

The new M855A1 round is sometimes referred to as "green ammo."

The new round replaces the current M855 5.56mm cartridge that has been used by U.S. troops since the early 1980s.

The M855A1 resulted in a number of significant enhancements not found in the current round, officials said. They explained these include improved hard-target capability, more dependable, consistent performance at all distances, improved accuracy, reduced muzzle flash and a higher velocity.

During testing, the M855A1 performed better than current 7.62mm ball ammunition against certain types of targets, blurring the performance differences that previously separated the two rounds.

The projectile incorporates these improvements without adding weight or requiring additional training.

According to Lt. Col. Jeffrey K. Woods, the program's product manager, the projectile is "the best general purpose 5.56mm round ever produced."

Woods said its fielding represents the most significant advancement in general purpose small caliber ammunition in decades.

The Enhanced Performance Round contains an environmentally-friendly projectile that eliminates up to 2,000 tons of lead from the manufacturing process each year in direct support of Army commitment to environmental stewardship.

Woods said the effort is a clear example of how "greening" a previously hazardous material can also provide extremely beneficial performance improvements.

Picatinny Arsenal's Project Manager for Maneuver Ammunition Systems manages the M855A1 program.

Project Manager Chris Grassano called the fielding "the culmination of an Army enterprise effort by a number of organizations, particularly the Army Research Laboratory, Armament Research Development and Engineering Center, Program Executive Office for Ammunition and the Joint Munitions Command.

"The Army utilized advanced science, modeling and analysis to produce the best 5.56mm round possible for the warfighter," he said.

The M855A1 is tailored for use in the M-4 weapon system but also improves the performance of the M-16 and M-249 families of weapons.

A true general-purpose round, the M855A1 exceeds the performance of the current M855 against the many different types of targets likely to be encountered in combat.

Prior to initial production, the EPR underwent vigorous testing. Official qualification of the round consisted of a series of side-by-side tests with the current M855.

Overall, the Army fired more than 1 million rounds to ensure the new cartridge met or exceeded all expectations. The M855A1 is without question the most thoroughly tested small caliber round ever fielded, Woods said.

The Army has recently completed the Limited Rate Initial Production phase for the M855A1 and is beginning the follow-on full rate production phase where plans are to procure more than 200 millions rounds over the next 12-15 months.

The M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round is the first environmentally-friendly bullet resulting from a larger "greening" effort across the Army's Small Caliber Ammunition programs. Other greening efforts include 5.56mm tracer, 7.62mm ball and green primers.

Soldiers in Afghanistan will begin using the new, improved round this summer.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 3, 2010, at 23:32:19 (ZULU)

CDC Holy mackintosh Andy! that's great and I'd pick up a couple of Lotto tickets too. Fantastic. The Gods be smilin on yee!

Rod ; I just don't know what to think about that Green Ammo thing.

Truth of consequences! I hope it's not political!

Yote
Sunday, July 4, 2010, at 00:39:47 (ZULU)

Yote: That's tellin' it ol' Kingfisher!

CDC: Mucho Congratulations-O I forsee a freezer full of yummy (and nutritious) Elk in your freezer in the future. What will you take to go Elk hunting?

Happy 4th to all!

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Sunday, July 4, 2010, at 00:50:09 (ZULU)

Kat: Fully set up Sendero .300 win.

CDC'
Sunday, July 4, 2010, at 05:11:55 (ZULU)

Yotie...

I don't buy it - it sounds like it was written by some Madison Avenue pitchman - the same one that invented the phrase "New and Improved" for the same ol' dish washing detergent in a new bottle and a new coloring die in it.

Kinda like, no one in the military wants to say, "Well. we've been forced to go to a lighter bullet in this already small calibre weapon system, cuz of the environmentalists and greenies, so I hope that we don't pay for the change in our solders lives".

So the Madison Avenue re-write is... "This new lighter, faster bullet will out shoot the previous one, and not only that, it will out shoot bullets weighing three and a half times as much, out penetrate our other bullets.. Oh, and by the way, it's environmental friendly :))".

Why is it that every time some bean counters or the environmentalists stick it to us, our corporations and public service folks find a way spin it into "an improvement"...

... 'member way back when Ford came out with stamped valve rockers to save a bunch of money, and spun it to say, "The new valve rockers are lighter and that means more RPM and more power"...

... 'til the push rods started punching through the "improved" rockers and dumping the engines.

I'm SICK OF IT... we need a new government from the top down to the janitor!!

It's gettin' time...

... don't waste your vote this November!!!

Throw the phuckers OUT!!

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, July 4, 2010, at 15:18:04 (ZULU)

Ok, I'll throw this at it:

Regarding this new "green" ammo,,, here's my decipher/guess. They say it is "green". Ok, that probably means they have found a way to 'recycle' something. They also say that this is "stopping the 2,000 tons of lead" which are produced into bullets each year. They also say that it has 'some' better penetration abilities, on some targets.

Here's the first thing that jumps to my head:

No, I'm not talking about Ducks Unlimited.

They are 'recycling' the DU that they have no idea what to do with, ergo, they gets a pat on the back from their bosses, cause they are 'dealing with their problem'.

The stopping of the "2,000 tons of lead" from the demand side of the market, means that there will be a glut on the market right quick. Prices will drop. Then the price of gold will rise even further, because (up here, anyways) the gold mines will shut down, due to the increase in cost to produce. Seeing as the mines produce (on average) 75-90%lead, then some zinc, with the last 5%ish being gold, they are going to have to restructure their agendas.

Oh yeah,,, and considering the current administration and their limitations and sideways deals, look at this:

How easy would it be for any civilian to go to the store and purchase bulk DU bullets for reloading, let alone shooting at their local range.

Is any of this logical, no.

Does any of this make sense, no again

Is this in any of the citizenry's best interest, absolutely not.

Would the government think like this, let alone "put this process in to motion" ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

So even though I may not be correct, tell me where I'm wrong.

Oh yeah, and the "slight" radioactivity of the projectiles helps to tarnish the copper even more, therefore they too are called "green".

That's my satire, enjoy your Independence Day.

;)

Sean T
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Sunday, July 4, 2010, at 21:46:36 (ZULU)

My wife, daughter, daughters beau, and I spent the fourth in an apropriate manner. We went to a gunshow ; )

There was a nice range of stuff, from $1500-$8000 single action Colts and $800 custom knives to $100 rifles (Moisen-Nagants) and shotguns, and Chinese knockoff folders $10.

There was a beautiful .17 Remington that was singing it's sirens song, but I was there to sell, not buy. I made a $10 profit on an old Enfield that I never shoot, and my girls impressed the hell outa me with their depth of knowledge.

All-in-all a very good day. ; )

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Monday, July 5, 2010, at 04:13:37 (ZULU)

That's zackily what I was thinking about "green bullets" ya'll. Just way all too handy for the politics of the moment. If it walks like a duck.....

Aye, it would be a happier 4th would some things be different but do what yee might with it and keep your powder dry Agents of Democracy.

Keep your poaching rifles oiled and slicked, I don't know how bad she's a gonna get!

Yote
Monday, July 5, 2010, at 07:56:42 (ZULU)

Headed out for s family vacation.

May as well put on a brave face.

CDC'
Monday, July 5, 2010, at 13:21:11 (ZULU)

M855A1 bullet

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/06/u-s-army-issues-new-m855a1-ammo-to-troops-in-afghanistan/

medicjim
Monday, July 5, 2010, at 13:39:53 (ZULU)

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2010/07/happy-birthday-america.html

"Sunday, July 04, 2010

Happy Birthday, America!

I am struck on this 4th of July that today is a holiday for Americans, and that really doesn't include many of the people inside the Beltway. Oh, inside the Beltway they wave Old Glory like crazy, wear red, white and blue shirts and blouses and loudly proclaim their commitment to "American values" or something equally vague. But inside the Beltway, they look on the Gadsden Flag with a a feeling of uncomfortableness bordering on fear. They see in the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions not a reaffirmation of fundamental American liberties but the stirrings of some rough beast; in the Tea Party movement they fear a rising of "the rabble," the unlettered, people who foolishly believe that they are better suited to control their own lives, their own fortunes, than those wise ones inside the Beltway who so obviously know better. They dream of a world of cameras, of papers, of control, a world where American exceptionalism is a failed dream and all the reaffirmed liberties so eloquently stated by the Founders are words, only words.

Out here in the hinterlands we're celebrating, and part of what we're celebrating is that for the first time in many many years, America is awake — and angry. So you faux-Americans over in your little enclave keep waving the flag and telling us how much you care — really care — about us little people. Out here in the boonies, a tidal wave is building...

Happy Birthday, America! It's a great time to live in this country!

Posted by Michael Bane"

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 5, 2010, at 17:01:17 (ZULU)

re: holidays

I shot a 300m rifle match on Canada Day. I would have shot a multi-gun match on the 4th but the logistics didn't come together :-(

I did manage to get to a different range on the 4th :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, July 5, 2010, at 17:06:10 (ZULU)

Will be out of the net for a few weeks on TDY. Hope you guys have fun and play nice. :)

On the new bullets. This has been in the making for some years. The "Green Bullet" is the result of environmentalists with BB sized brains having some states pass the "green bullet" initiative. What it does is prevent the military from firing lead bullets in their states. The laws were passed during the Clinton years of stupidity and are just now really coming into effect.

ON the old bullets, most of the complaints were due to over penetration of very skinny bodies by bullets designed to defeat Soviet body armor. Anyone see a problem with increasing the size of the penetrator and claiming greater penetration on "some" targets? Accuracy sucked on the older bullets due to the manner in which the old penetrator was placed in the tip only and effected the center of gravity as it flew down range and form bullet to bullet.

Nope no DU and no plan to ruin the gold market. Sorry guys. :)

Rick b.
Raeford, NC, USA - Tuesday, July 6, 2010, at 02:58:36 (ZULU)

CDC; Rick hope they not be dragons there!

Yote
Tuesday, July 6, 2010, at 19:51:53 (ZULU)

Rick, et al,

I really WAS just trying to be facetious and satirical. That was not intended to be serious at all. Just playing with the mindset of certain "leaders" and their train of thought.

I hope somebody got a chuckle out of that. Anybody?

(Edited to add: Thank you MedicJim, everything is now working as it should. Here for me, at least. Great Job All, keep it up!!!!)

;)

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Wednesday, July 7, 2010, at 13:53:13 (ZULU)

Sean; well it was funny "I don't care who you are!" I should have seen the humor before the horror.

Yote
Wednesday, July 7, 2010, at 15:38:09 (ZULU)

Anybody seen these mirror blinds some of the hunting community is using these days? They seem to be somewhat portable and out here in scarce cover they would be really effective against the plains game. I can imagine a head and shoulders size possibly a roll up for Sniper work. Hummm! Should be a lot lighter than a full body size and less wind drag. Just thinkin out loud. Shooting notch perhaps about Bipod high.

I got a email from somebody I didn't know this morning asking why in the world would I shoot someone in the head instead of the torso in a self defense situation. (see discussion a couple of weeks ago). I tried to think of a satisfactory answer and finally told him. "Because I can!" (Never mind the fact that I didn't advocate that but just noticed that some of the SD schools were beginning to explore it!)" I never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Yote
Wednesday, July 7, 2010, at 19:36:22 (ZULU)

yote...try this

"what if the bad guy is an organ donor, I might damage something valuable"

medicjim
Wednesday, July 7, 2010, at 23:42:20 (ZULU)

I'd shoot 'em in the head so I can have his clothes without messing them up. Then again, I'm in a dark mood at the moment.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Thursday, July 8, 2010, at 03:31:25 (ZULU)

OK Charles, and Medic Jim, move to the head of the class and your "time out" is canceled cause that's funny. I'm gonna "write those down".

Yote
Thursday, July 8, 2010, at 14:49:58 (ZULU)

Yote,

just tell 'em that it's the old insurance shot, the two'fer. In case they duck suddenly, then you get both the cranium-cracker and the tried-and-true center mass hit. Just being thorough, don't ya' know.

Just thinkin'

Erik

Erik in Kodiakb
Thursday, July 8, 2010, at 18:24:22 (ZULU)

Seems the Brits are the only one that will tell it like it is. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

HDR
OK, - Thursday, July 8, 2010, at 21:50:43 (ZULU)

Amen on the thought that we need to zero out government and start over. I'm in the market for a new car to take into retirement in a couple of years. I was looking for a simple car that would be economical to operate & repair. BTW, I'm looking at station wagons, so I'm obviously not au courant, trendy or with it.

Manually operated windows seem to have gone the way of the buggy whip.

Computers oversee and "provide oversight" for your brakes (including front/rear balance), steering and also do traction control, stability control and engine management when any of the above are being "managed".

BMW and associated companies at least provide a switch that allows you to either turn nanny off, mitigate nanny or in some cases, direct nanny to improve the managed response for performance driving.

DAMN!!!! What happened?

Will the free market develop after market packages to put nanny in a cage?

WR Moore
Saturday, July 10, 2010, at 16:00:12 (ZULU)

re: vehicle engine computers

There is a robust aftermarket industry making addon/updated engine computer gear for performance tuning (speed, hauling, etc). Don't know if anyone offers overrides for alleged safety-only setup. They may be too fearful of US lawyers...

A while back helped a friend add a mod kit to a Honda engine computer to support field programing a user-revised program via a laptop computer and a USB port. Pretty well manditory if you're making major changes to a factory engine setup, since the OEM software is not designed to work with a revised engine configuration.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 10, 2010, at 23:13:10 (ZULU)

There *are* in fact, some companies that make "nanny muzzles". Unfortunately, they are few and far between. The problem is, despite almost every car having them, every brand has a different way of doing it, with different controls. This makes aftermarket "muzzles" expensive for companies to develop, since they need a completely different system for each platform, with no interchange whatsoever. That said, I've only seen such systems for heavily aftermarket supported sports cars like the 350Z etc. I highly doubt such a thing will ever come to market for a wagon. However: you *may* be able to disable certain systems with strategic use of the "unplug" technique... I know that many ABS systems can be disabled in this manner, as well as some traction controls. I am not, however, familiar with disabling vehicle stability systems, etc. I'm sure there are forums dedicated to such activities, though.

edit to add: Lotus Exige S240 has a "dial a slip" traction control... you can actually adjust the acceptable upper limit of slip from 0 to 7 percent slip, or turn it completely off for real fun. :D

Josh
car guy, moreso than gun guy, so... yeah... - Sunday, July 11, 2010, at 03:28:48 (ZULU)

Too further complicate things:

Said "nanny muzzles" arent All State compliant.Do the reasearch before the purchase. Some pretty hefty fines and possible jail time if caught in use.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, July 12, 2010, at 01:50:59 (ZULU)

I'm not a mechanic, but more and more cars now have "Black Boxes" the cops and insurance companys are using against us...

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Monday, July 12, 2010, at 03:30:01 (ZULU)

...anyone remember these stories? Some of my favorite in grammar school! click

Kat Girl
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 08:01:24 (ZULU)

OK motorcycle gurus, I need some input.

I'm thinking about buying a bike at the end of the season...trying to get a $$ break on a last year model.

I want a fairly light bike, mostly for non-highway riding, with maybe 5% trail work (but not intense, just gravel paths and logging road sorta stuff...no mud). I'd like the bike to be able to keep up with my buddies that ride harleys and crotch rockets...no sprint wins, just keep up at legal speeds for weekend rides.

Kevin suggested the Kawi KLR650... and I was talking to a guy with a Suzuki DRZ400sm who is very happy... is there anything out there in this class I should be looking at? Any feedback on longevity of the single piston bikes or the supermotard concept in general? I can certainly hold off another year if something better is coming...

medicjim
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 16:18:32 (ZULU)

Kat; Never heard of those before! Your always introducing us to sophisticated cultural things like that. Yo be cool!

Half the fun is this life is to impersonate someone who knows something. So here goes.

Now Medic Jim take a look at the BMW Bikes but I also hear that Suzuki makes a good "adventure" bike. A friend of mine who once was a dealer (BMW) who rides one of the new ones (Suzuki). The only thing is that the BMW R series has 2 Horizontally opposed cylinders and the older ones 70's 80's are shaft drive.... use gravity fed carbs and each cylinder is a separate motor you might say having it's own exhaust and feed system. Even the fuel feeds separately. 1400000 miles on one has let me to believe they are reliable but beware some of the more modern changes. (computers and fuel injections and things are more difficult to fix on the road if you should ever need too. I know where you are going and it's nice to think of it. I've ridden quite a lot but the single pistons other than the Italian crotch rockets are a bit short on keeping up with the Cruisers on the long hauls. Since Harley is now a religion, they do require a lot of prayer along with the mechanical designs. But most people worship at that Alter and out of fear of reprisal by Sinister Eagles and leather goods. I will cease to tread in the shadow of that valley. I don't think what you want will reside there. I find that the more dirt road you find the lighter the bike needs to be. Dependability is paramount for that application. I have a BMW tool kit that never has been used except once I load a Harley Rider a pair pliers and a Screw driver......

Yote
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 18:23:06 (ZULU)

Bill,

Lay it out for me, which model and year do I want? PLEASE.

medicjim
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 18:56:57 (ZULU)

Lemme lookie!

Yote
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 19:25:45 (ZULU)

My first statement is that the K Saki 650 is not a bad choice for what you envision you want to use it for. I'm wondering that it wouldn't be better than the Suzy I was thinking of.

If you can find a 2009 F-800 BMW it would probably be a little more Bike and has some advantages. Water Cooled, low faring for Highway use and It would probably out accelerate the 650 and run with the Harley's on the freeway. These are all Chain Drive Bikes. I think you can get one around 10 grand brand new for 2009. I'm looking at things like ground clearance weight etc. The BMW is a 2 Cylinder I'm not sure about the K Saki. But it sure looks like it would work as well as anything. To go long distance and off road at the same time on a bike choice is a little bit like getting an African Game rifle combined with a Varmint gun. It's hard to sacrifice much.

Now for the oldies. If you go BMW you might look at the R models about 1985 to 1976. It's about the same bike except for a few things.. My 1985 is a mono-shocker and has an aftermarket shock that is really a bit ahead of the BMW factory model. Mine is mostly for Road work but it is manageable as a back dirt road model. The twin 800 cc is air cooled and its shaft driven. Some are turned off by the large twin cylinders that are opposed and 90 degrees apart. Contrary to popular belief they don't fire at the same time but every other stroke and are out of phase I guess would be the way to put it.

There's a trade off for horse power and displacement and bike overall weight. Harley pays a hell of a price for those huge cylinders and being in line (one behind the other) the second one tends to overheat. The Beamer has lots of air flow and the same on both cylinders. The BMW's weigh about 450 lbs no fuel on board. But the inseam (seat height) is 31" and if your short you better check that one out before you buy it. I'm kind of short for it but I've learned to handle it. This may raise questions.

Yote Biker
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 20:46:03 (ZULU)

Yote Biker...

>>>1400000 miles on one has let me to believe they are reliable but beware some of the more modern changes. <<<

ONE MILLION, 400 THOUSAND...?!?!?!?!?!?

Sharon

(Harley rider)

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Monday, July 12, 2010, at 21:16:17 (ZULU)

Sharon hon! Those were Obama miles. They were designed to look a lot bigger than they really were. I forgot to tell you to round that out to 140000 for accounting purposes. :):) Ok OK you got me once.... in how long has that been in Obama years you been waitin. Who let her out of the box? Larry where's her collar?:):):)

ok Jim, Here's the word from my Suzuki rider.

2008 Suzuki V-strom 650. They also make the same in a 1000 that I would recomend if he is going to two-up touring. Also I recommend going to street tires on first tire change. Unless he plans on doing some rough off road, he will get smoother ride, better wear and maybe 10% better gas milege than dual-sports that come .

There you have it and that's the truth.

\And that's the truth.

Yote
Monday, July 12, 2010, at 23:07:39 (ZULU)

Thanks Yotie, now I've got some stuff to think about.

medicjim
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 02:04:17 (ZULU)

Rumor has it that the Wee-Strom is the best all-around motorcycle made today. I have no personal experience one way or the other.

Dual-sport thumpers are what I learned to ride on, and I have a soft spot for them. (Honda cough Honda) Any of the big three are likely awsomely reliable, and fast enough to get you a ticket. More dirt I would go 450, more street a 650.

I have a friend that, after retirement, rode a BMW from AR to AK and back one year, and to Argentina and back the next. Same bike, routine maintanence only. He said almost every time he got on it, he got off in another state. But every time he got on it, he got off in another state of mind. ; )

Check out http://www.advrider.com/

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 02:48:14 (ZULU)

Yote...

>>>Who let her out of the box? Larry where's her collar?:):):)<<<

She chewed through it... MEAN!!!!!

Larry

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 02:50:46 (ZULU)

medicjim,

Have I got a deal for you... a 1989 Harley FXR, i call 'Rat-Bert'.

One peg fell off on the highway, I bought a bolt at ACE hardware to replace it. A welded bracket came loose, now I have a coat hanger holding it in place, and acting as safety retainer. Carb reworked, now getting 42MPG, instead of 27MPG. Tie wraps holding plastic covers in place. Starts after 3-4 minutes of cranking. Tops out faster than my balls will let me travel. New clutch push rod assembly (last one, thrust bearing disintegrated, installed new one).

All offers considered....

Duman
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 02:52:52 (ZULU)

Duman,

Growing up, my dad would make me do chores after school and before I could go out to play on the weekend. One of mine was mowing the lawn. We had several acres and he would buy the cheapest piece of crap lawnmower he could find...and make me fix it in order to mow. I spent months of my young life fixing used up lawnmowers. Dad's tools were crap too...his compressor would only do 60 psi, useless for air tools

segway to age 17 (1983)...

no money, dad buys me a 1976 Pontiac Ventura (Nova) for $500 with 92K miles. Insurance was $1200... my part time pay was $3.35hr at the local grocery store. We called it the 'hopper' because the puny 260 V8 wouldn't quite spin the one active tire on the open differential.

Three transmissions (none fit right), several clutches, a motor swap(350 cu), two rears, exhaust work, radiators, bondo by the gallon, mostly done under an old willow tree in the back yard...oddly, most work was in the winter........ you get the picture.

I'm done wrenching on junk.

medicjim
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 03:32:14 (ZULU)

medicjim,

You win....

I don't work on my Harley anymore, everytime i approached it, I wanted to use it for target practice. Then I found a REAL Harley mechanic, not some poser (like most "Hardly" mechanics). It runs like a house on fire.

I understand your frustration.

Duman
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 14:42:50 (ZULU)

Jim I spoke with the guy I quoted yesterday at length and he thinks the Suzuki has some simplicity advantages that I hold dear. The BMW has some issues on some models at present with a security key arrangement that tends to leave you stranded. I'm not sure if it's on the GS 800 or not. He also thought the 650 would be enough if you didn't ride double up. He just ran that bike from Oklahoma to California over to Oregon and down through Idaho on the return trip. He single riding and there were no issues other than he thought he would use road tires for most everything. He's in his 70's and is experienced in racing and dirt riding as well. This is why I ride a 85 model for simplicity. Too much of a good thing isn't a good thing. He pointed out that the price would be about half of the new Beemer and he thought the quality might be just as good. Neither of us know the K Saki details well enough to help there. I'd check the internet forums on it and Kevin probably knows more than I do about it.

Yote
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, at 17:44:51 (ZULU)

Humor country. I have no idea whether or not these quotes are accurate but they're funny enough to pass along regardless.

You know the honeymoon is over when the comedians start.

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . . and think 25

to life would be appropriate.

--Jay Leno

America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.

--Jay Leno

Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?

A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it.

--Conan O'Brien

Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?

A: A fund raiser.

--Jay Leno

Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?

A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers, and threats to society. The

other is for housing prisoners.

--David Letterman

Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and

it started to sink, who would be saved?

A: America!

--Jimmy Fallon

Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?

A: Bo has papers.

--Jimmy Kimmel

Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?

A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road.

--David Letterman

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 01:56:14 (ZULU)

Didyaall see the reports on the Chupacabras they shot down in Hood Co. TX. Monsters ugly as hell goat suckin Monsters.

Yote is LMAO at these pictures of dead coyotes with mange. MSN has a report on it. It's Funny as hell.

for them don't know. It's one of those "Big Foot" legends that the XE's have been kickin around in the Big Bend area for years. T-shits and all. This breaks out like plague every so often and they're always gonna test em in Austin. You never hear any more about it after they send them in. Guess they are too embarrassed when they send it back marked "Coyote".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38224385?from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=43001

Yote
Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 15:33:59 (ZULU)

Years ago, my brother hooked a job on the Kona coast of HI and needed to move there. His dog needed to go through the quarantine process, so I agreed to watch the dog for a bunch of months while he moved and started working.

Two weeks into the dogs stay, he started losing hair and scratching himself bloody. A week later, my dog is doing the same. The vet diagnosed mange. The treatment involves sedating the dog and dipping them in something that smells like creasote (telephone pole smell)...they had to be dipped three times, with an interval of like a week in between... horrible experience for everyone involved.

This has got to be one of the most horrific, slow ways to die... I pity even the most awful of pests dying this way. I can only think of humans that deserve that fate.

medicjim
Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 16:17:18 (ZULU)

The Mange is horrible for animals for sure. I've found them frozen to the ground in the winter time where they lost all their hair and just froze to death. It is merciful when that happens. It seems to from a mite or some other parasite that gets in their skin. For the last few years I shoot only the mangy coyotes out here hoping to spare them of a terrible death and cull them from the others. Anyway I think it's on the way out but an epidemic has really decimated the Yotes out here. No wonder those people think they have discovered a monster down there as it is a frightening sight.

Yote
Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 17:29:47 (ZULU)

Yote,

They are indeed ugly critters. I remember the first year I met you. We were shooting prairie dogs and here came a coyote with the mange. I didn't know what the heck it was until I asked you. As I recall you punched its ticket with an AR.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The steamy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 17:51:32 (ZULU)

Hi everyone!

These posts are great - giving me the giggle fits! Mange ridden coyotes brrrrr.

Doc: These two sentences almost killed me:

"Yote, They are indeed ugly critters. I remember the first year I met you."

Awwww Yote's not that bad! :D

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 21:03:13 (ZULU)

Yeah, I kind of remember that episode Doc. I was using a Rock River M-4

type I think. They are a bit hopeless looking. I've hunted Yotes for almost 40 years now but there's nothing I ever hunted that I respect more. They are the ultimate survivor. Smarter than me and more capable than me. A more noble beast I never met.

Yote
Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 22:45:10 (ZULU)

"Smarter than me and more capable than me." Me too! That's why I'm raising an Airedale huntin' partner, to help me break even. ; )

I think it was the movie, "resident evil" that had mutant-zombie German Shepards. I remember thinking that they looked like mangey 'yotes. Red Mange is really hard to get rid of, you have to treat it internaly and externaly with dip. If I remember right, twice a week for three months!

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2010, at 23:38:14 (ZULU)

I'll put it this way... I has tons more respect for that varmint,.... The Coyote....then I do the carrion thats in the White House.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 01:50:00 (ZULU)

4i's; You will enjoy hunting Yotes with a dog. That is a hoot. I had an old Lab that had that game down. She would decoy them in front of me to get me a shot. That almost backfired a few times but it was maximum effectiveness when calling Yotes and she extending my twilight shooting time about 15 minutes because she could detect them coming in better than my Binos. The Yote will zero in on the dog and ignore the hunter that's about to zero in on him. I knocked one down one day at about 75 yards as he ran toward the dog. He just rolled over and kept right on coming. I'll never forget the look I got from Nikki on that one just before I nailed him at 35 yards. Then I got the look that translates to "Hell I knew you had him!" "Whew!"

Yote
Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 14:40:31 (ZULU)

A yellow lab is probably 60-70lbs, well protected and has a nice set of teeth...what exactly was the Coyote figuring on doing to the lab?

I have a coyote hunting in my AO these days (yup, suburban NJ now has yokes and black bear.. no cougar or wolves yet <g>)... that full grown coyote can't be more than 35-40lbs.

medicjim
Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 14:53:18 (ZULU)

Biologists have been doin some research on coyotes and some samples collected from yotes showed alot of Wolf DNA,......some samples ran as strong as 80% Wolf.They have also been recording a very noticeable size increase.Some are running in the 60-70lb class.

From the way it was explained to me,whats happening is the subordinate male wolves in their frustration to breed target the alpha male coyote,kill it and breed the alpha female 'yote.

I wouldnt want to bet any money on the family pooch if it came across a 60lb coy-wolf.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 19:14:25 (ZULU)

A Yote is fighter with few equals as canines go weight aside. Compared to a wolf there is not much contest. But domestic dogs had best watch their step unless they have him outnumbered greatly. I've witnessed Yotes that whipped greyhound packs and continued to run off. I've heard stories even stranger than that. Old Greyhound hunter I used to know would tell story after story about a Yote whipping his hounds. These old dog hunters would have what they called a Kill Dog. After catching the Yote with about 4 or five fast chase dogs the hunter would turn out the kill dog. He was usually a Greyhound (so he could keep up with the fight) and crossed with something really large and capable. It's not something I like to witness but a hapless yote that was coming to my call was intercepted one day. A pack of hounds caught him about 200 yards from me. This is a family show kind of so I'll quit right there. But I was tempted to take the side of the Yote before it was over. The coyote came in a close second to the whole pack and the hunter ended the fray with a axe handle after every one of the dogs backed off except the kill dog. I never want to see that again and I've seen a lot.

Story time. My Labrador coyote hunting dog at the time was a large male and tough as a boot. He wasn't as good as the Female I had because he wanted to fight as soon as he saw one and he was large enough to take on anything probably even a good account for himself with a wolf. He ran a bear off a couple of times so he was no whus!

I was heading out to call and he was in the seat beside me when we saw a Yote. Out the window he went and disappeared over the hill after the Yote. Disgusted with the whole affair I just stopped to wait and listen. About 2 minutes went back and over the hill he came with 4 Yotes on his tail. I swear he was grinning. About 200 yards out I cut down on the Yotes and took one out as he stopped to bluff them off. The yotes turned and I laid another one out as he went over the hill. The dog looked at me kind of sheepishly with a look like... what did you want anyway?

I made him stay in the truck for next call or two before it got dark and then I let him out.

Yote
Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 20:20:00 (ZULU)

K9 fights like people fights, are usualy mostly noise and posturing. A coyote coming to a call, doesn't want to kill the dog, it just wants to run it off and eat the bunny. I have heard of coyotes returning behind a tolling dog after, not one....but three misses.

Bill I would have bought that pup a steak dinner ; )

My Airedale is out of Matt Thom's bloodlines, his pups have been tolling 'yotes for generations.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 21:15:17 (ZULU)

I can believe the 3 shot thing. Mainly the old Lab got in trouble for jumping out the window while the truck was still moving and me telling him to stay.

Yote
Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 22:13:12 (ZULU)

If I had a dog that done that I woulda been to busy laughin my ass off....Thats one helluva dog there. Yotie

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Thursday, July 15, 2010, at 23:00:50 (ZULU)

Black box country-One of the vehicles I'm looking at is the Jetta Sportwagen TDI. I've got to buy a computer program to do my own engine maintenance. Various fan websites allowed me to discover that the program gets me into areas Wolfsburg probably wouldn't want me in:)))) Adjust, start; adjust, start; adjust, no start=put it back like you found it.

Did sent VW customer service a peeved note asking why BMW/Porsche will let you cage nanny and VW doesn't and how I was supposed to experience Fahrvernuggen with a nanny on board.

Mini-Cooper, being part of BMW, has both a nanny muzzle button and one that puts her in a bikini! Have to test drive one.

WR Moore
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 00:01:35 (ZULU)

Fahrvernuggen? I thought it was Pharfrumpukin.

Duman
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 02:30:08 (ZULU)

.... Farfrumgroovin ..?

Duman
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 18:44:31 (ZULU)

Gun smithing question: I have a model-84 Kimber of Oregon, in 221-Fireball. There is something subtly wrong with the bolt/firing pin, it sometimes will not ignite the primer. Upon recocking, the round will fire. I have a second Model-84 Fireball, with an identical bolt, without this problem.

Does anyone have a connection to an EXPERT with Kimber of Oregon's, or an EXPERT in general? THere's no shortage of hacks, but this will require someone with skill.

Duman
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 18:52:46 (ZULU)

No matter where the fire is flickering the stories always get around to dogs earlier or later. Big lab story #2

I'm retubeing (light bulbs) this 400' microwave tower that's iced up and replacing a piece of equipment at the top. I'm sitting right on the Beacon section , the Lab jumps out of the truck window that's only down about a foot as he frequently did and starts checking out several wood piles. Looking for rattle snakes or pheasants and he don't really care which. Even though I hollered down at him to get in the truck. He's wandered over to the intersection about 4 or 500' from the tower and a truck pulls up to the stop sign. 2 Hombres in the truck are looking him over and wondering why he is there as my truck isn't visable from where they are. This is when he decides to "get in the truck". Lab jumps flat footed into the back of the truck thinking they are going hunting and he ain't missin out on it. They drive away. I'm NOT through with what I was doing BUT I unbelt and start down on the fastest decent I ever did. I caught up with them about 20 miles down the road driving about 80 SNOW COVERED dirt roads. They immediately pull over when I blink my lights. They knew what the deal was and apologize all over the place. They said they were afraid to tell him to get out because he was so big. Dog tells me with that look again that he just knew I was in that truck. That was just the kind of dog he was. If there was a way to mess up, he knew how to do it. I had to go back 20 miles and climb that 400' again to finish the job.

Yote
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 19:49:29 (ZULU)

Yotester,

You must have liked that dog a whole bunch...

Duman
Friday, July 16, 2010, at 20:23:03 (ZULU)

If were tellin' Lab stories, I've got one : )

I had a Chocolate Lab that hated HATED bikers, anyone with a chain-drive bilfold and black leather, was growled at, fuzzed up, teeth showing and all. He usually went everywhere I did, so when I went to a Harley repair/custom shop to pick-up some cases to machine, he followed me in. Of all the guys there he singled out one guy, and stayed between us and fuzzed up. Didn't leave my side, just made sure he was between us. The guy seemed to take this personaly and started threatening me and the dog. I told Rusty to get in the truck, and after giving me that look (are you sure), he trotted back out the overhead door and jumped in the truck.

I finished my business and walked back out, and of course the guy had to say something else ; ) He said he almost went out and shot that damn dog! I told him it would have been the last thing he ever did. His boss almost pissed himself laughing. ; )

The only time he gave me trouble was when two hiway patrol troopers pulled me over.(7 over) Rusty was in the back of the truck, and I guess their Sam Brown rigs looked a little bikerish to him. :O

I had to do some fast talking to all involved to keep that from escalating.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Friday, July 16, 2010, at 20:41:06 (ZULU)

Yeah Duman; I suspect your right about the old guy. We were buddies.

I loved him more than anything I had. We had lots of episodes.

4i's How come it is when somebody wants to rile you they always say the're gonna shoot your dog. That's a good way to go meet virgins as far as I'm concerned. "Heaven is just a sin away".

Yote
Saturday, July 17, 2010, at 02:04:04 (ZULU)

Duman:

re: Kimber mystery. I'm not an expert, but here are some "easy" ideas:

Have the firing pin protrusion checked.

Have the headspace checked

If headspace isn't an issue on the exchange, what if you swap the two bolts?

Bolt firing pin spring "weight" issue?

Any issues with primer seating depth?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, July 18, 2010, at 01:54:53 (ZULU)

MaecS....Am back from the western varmint slaying expedition.. Would be in Canada now 'cept the wife got sick...62 day road trip was not bad, but, was really looking forward to going up to the Great slave Lake country. Call me about the rifle project if your squared away and ready for it.

Hi to the rest of you hogs.

From the you can't make this up file....You might be a redneck if you've ever shot a coon in your kitchen sink at two in the morning!!!!(dog doors have their disadvantages also)....

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Sunday, July 18, 2010, at 18:21:10 (ZULU)

rod,

I was going to swap bolts on my next outing. I was also thinking of using a marker to color the brass, to indicate any abnormal contact points between the bolt/brass.

Markwell - that's too funny. But messy.

Duman
Monday, July 19, 2010, at 14:01:56 (ZULU)

Duman

As you probably know, head shot 'coons flop around a lot (sort of like cats). There was literally blood everywhere.. Thankfully the 'coon stayed in the sink and the queen did the clean up!

By the way, I highly recommend the 17M2 out of a Kimber 1911 for this particular task, or any other indoor varmint erradication (sp?), as the little 17gr. bullets definately don't exit.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Monday, July 19, 2010, at 19:50:43 (ZULU)

<double take> 17gr out of a 1911?

Ohhh .17 Mach 2 bbl conversion. Kewl. I would still feel pretty nervous using a sink for a backstop :D

just4fun and non sequitor - some good reads for the Hawgz on Frank Hamer also a Colt serno lookup:

http://proofhouse.com/colt/

just found my 1911 .38 Super was probably made in '59 wow.

(I have Bar Sto and Clark barrels in 9 and .38 super which index on the case mouth instead of that little nubbin of rim)

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Monday, July 19, 2010, at 22:20:34 (ZULU)

What am i missing here? ( 17 gr out of a 1911)

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL(, - Monday, July 19, 2010, at 23:05:28 (ZULU)

Gary,

At one time Kimber made a .17HM2 conversion kit for their 1911's. They still offer a .22; but not the .17HM2.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The steamy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 01:55:40 (ZULU)

DOC

That makes sense.

KAT

When we brought the mother in law back here from Apple Valley Ca.

we found her husbands Colt 38 Super that he carried when he was a Navy pilot. Nice cal.for the wife, notto accurate though.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 14:23:59 (ZULU)

Anyone wathcing this LTC Allen West guy down in Florida?

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 15:52:42 (ZULU)

Gary:

older .38 Supers had accuracy issues. Today we know much more about how to setup an accurate .38 Super barrel in a 1911.

If it was mine and "all original parts" wasn't the goal I would get the barrel replaced. Bar Sto makes a nice product, there are others too.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=170963

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 16:25:22 (ZULU)

On the Kimber .221 FB ignition issues, have you checked to see if there is a bit of shmutz under the firing pin, in the firing pin pocket/bore? Sometimes a chip left over from the manufacturing process can get trapped in there, and depending on which way it turns can be thick enough to stop the pin.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 19:35:36 (ZULU)

Rod

"Ain't changin nuttin" It's marked U.S. Government Property

Gary Kaney
N, IL, - Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 22:22:58 (ZULU)

West he,s one of the soldiers that was in trouble for kicking the Iraqi's butt early on somewhere over there. He makes too much sense. They will eventually discredit him for it.

Yote
Tuesday, July 20, 2010, at 23:34:35 (ZULU)

Gary:

Understand the sentiment.

.38 Super as an issue chambering? That's rather unusual (in the US). .45 ACP, .38 SPL and more recently 9mmx19 I understand. I didn't know they even had such in the military supply system for non-Spec Ops issue.

Anyone else shed some light on this minor mystery?

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 01:00:23 (ZULU)

Markwell- I'll be in touch with you shortly about the rifle. On shooting varmints in the house, a friend of mine in Texas just did it but he wasn't smart enough to do it in the same way that you did. A squirrel ran in the house when he opened the door. A high speed chase immediately started with the squirrel and house cat running laps everywhere and all over the furniture. My friend, who is usually a smart guy, grabs an AR carbine loaded with high velocity varmint bullets and waits. The squirrel and cat stop for a second with the squirrel on top of the couch. He popped it. I mean he literally POPPED it. Guts, fur, bone chips the whole deal. All over the place. On the wall, on the ceiling, in the carpet, against the books in shelves and in the fabric of the couch. The cat jumped back and sat there staring at where the squirrel just was, obviously dumbfounded and wondering WTF just happened to his new friend. That was fucking genius. I guess he never thought of opening the door.

Chuck- I've seen a few speeches from Allen West on the internet. I like what he has to say but don't know much more about him.

George Gardner invited me to go out to his shop for a week and build some rifles. I'll watch his guys work during the day and then stay after with Tim to build my own on his machines. I'm sure I'll learn a lot. I'm shopping for at least one Remington 700, short, right, .308 boltface to blueprint and build a rifle with. If any of you have one you could sell me please let me know. I can be reached at marc soulie at yahoo dot com.

I met an old man last night with the most incredible collection of old Winchesters I've ever heard of. He showed me around the house where they were laying around everywhere. I must have seen over 30 pre 64 Mod 70's and at least as many older 54's. Then he opens the safe and brings out some PRESTINE mod 70's that were from the earliest runs and many of them in rare calibers. All were perfect, like new and some never fired. He also had a wide assortement of lever actions. Then he said he kept the real good stuff in another safe somewhere! He also had a collection of 52 rimfires. He had them in the target configurations of different lettered suffix's and he also had some sporters. His "C" sporter was a cream puff. Then there were his Sharps rifles. He was an old wildcatter he doesn't hardly shoot factory supported cartridges. He has memorized every word P.O. Ackley ever wrote, he builds his own rifles in the garage on his lathe and designs his own cartridges. I'll never forget that guy.

Back to the shop now I'm finishing my new 7 SAUM and starting my .308. Both on Surgeon RSR actions and Bartlien barrels with Badger DBM floor metal. The 7 in a Mac A5 with a Jackson trigger and the .308 in a Mac A3 with a Jewell. I'm about as happy as a pig in mud :-)

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 01:27:32 (ZULU)

Chuck Hunt,

Watch your 6 ol buddy. Lost a good friend and street partner from the LPD days today in northern Afghan. Seems the soldiers he was teaching decided to open fire on the teachers. RIP Chuck Buckman..God Bless You.

Bobby Whittington
Grandfield , OK, USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 04:05:21 (ZULU)

Just sayin' "Hey"!

I am now Chief Ballistician...

... and it's a mess!

They are a new outfit, and they hired a guy with "20 years" of experence (HA!... Double HA!!).

Seems like his experence was with a RCBS Jr. handloaders kit, cuz he really made a mess. When they found him out, he "quit" and slipped three Dillon Super 1050's out the side door in the process, and left 70,000 rounds of 5.56 SS109 ammo that is perfect...

... except that it wasn't FL sized and it won't chamber :((

So they fired the whole friggin crew, and were considering quitting the whole thing.

They were edgy about hiring me cuz they had been burned so bad that they didn't trust anyone. So I told the owner, "Give me a week, and if you don't like what I do, you owe me nothing".

When I went in, they had a kid pulling the 70,000 rounds for components. I stopped that, and (thank God for Redding Small Base Body Dies)... he is now cranking out some $4,000 to $5,000 a day in sale-able product. So now the kid can do something useful for a while (70,000 worth of "a while").

All the machines were out of adjustment and filthy, and had to be stripped to the frame and put back together (after cleaning with a toothbrush and mineral spirits).

The Lake City machine won't be here for a while, but the owner now thinks I am a gift from God and walk on water. (I learned to step on the rocks long ago :))))

He's is ordering 500 pounds of AA-2230 so I guess I'm a keeper.

Duman.

I had a similar problem with a riffle that shouldn't have done it (A 40XBR in 222 Mag).

It plagued me for years, and I tried everything including a 28 pound spring to no avail.

Then I took apart the bolt to return to the 22 pound spring, and while cleaning it, a tiny bit of metal fell out - a bit of a primer, and that was the problem. It was cushioning the firing pin.

So I flushed the insides of the bolt and used a pipe cleaner. No problems after that.

Nite nite...

... I gotta get up early - this is the first time I am working a 5 day week since 1971... and it sucks :)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 04:28:48 (ZULU)

That's great news Pablo congrats on scoring a killer job.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Bobby. I found a story about it just now.

Click for link

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 04:53:52 (ZULU)

Well back from my travels, good to be back home. Getting too old for all this TDY crap.

'Lito, congrats on the new job!

Fahrvernuggen? I thought that is what you did after eating too many nuggens.

Rick B.
Raeford, NC, USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 05:41:22 (ZULU)

Bobby, I am truly sorry about your friend. Having had a district partner for the best part of 15 years, I know how close you can get. (when's the last time you got snot-slingin' drunk in the back end of a school parking lot and told your wife about your first piece of tail, then threw up on her?) Unlike the shitheads that did for him, I'm sure he's sitting on the right hand of God, right now.

You can be sure that I'm watching my six. I still live by the credo "be friendly with everybody, and friends with no one". Every Afghan I meet, first thing I figure out is how to kill him. Same with some of the ISAF ( I Suck At Fighting ) folks, as well. I've had some tense moments with the Afghan MOI police lately, but we can yarn about that over our next session at the hootch. Ya'll be good.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 11:05:59 (ZULU)

Gary,

Kimber actually made both conversion units and complete 1911 pistols chambered for the 17Mach2 cartridge. The pistol was the Rimfire Target and it was identical to the 22 except for the 17cal. bbl.. Frames are aluminum and the slides are steel with adjustable sights. Finishes were either blue/black or silver colored.

These have become rather a cult item amongst the varmint hunters I run with. The Mach2 shoots flatter than the 22 with no recoil. They are really fun for gopher shooting. we are always on the lookout for them.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 14:50:52 (ZULU)

Lito:

Congrats on the job.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 16:33:42 (ZULU)

Congradulations Leetle Pablo on the new job. Maybe there is hope for the future after all ; )

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 17:17:25 (ZULU)

Bobbie, I am sorry to hear the news. God be with him.

Charles, you be safe. Its getting worse and worss in that part of the world. Peace may only come after extreme measures.

Pablito, that is great news.

Rick, how come men get old before wars goes away?

I am thinking of getting the two titanium pins and synthetic disks installed in my back so I can go again.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
ca, - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 17:18:39 (ZULU)

Bobbie, and Charles,

I'm sorry to hear that. Condolences AND prayers are sent up. I question the logic of that country, and feel that it needs to be shaken like an "etch-a-sketch" to be started over. Question is, how does one 'reset' stone-age technology?

--insert suggestions here--

'Lito,

What can I say, man? You need an assistant? The biggest plus on all this, is it sounds like you're enjoying yourself. How long has it been, since you've done that? Ok, maybe not the "getting up every morning" part, but as long as you get the time/schedule down pat with your milk of magnesia,,, things will get better.

At least that's what my grandparents keep telling me.

HA.

yeah, I'm ducking now.... so about that assistant position... does it come with a vehicle?

;)

Seriously, all B/S aside, I just wanted to say thanks everyone, for all you are doing. Keep it up, and remember there ARE those around who both appreciate and respect it.

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb, Canada - Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 17:59:54 (ZULU)

'Lito, congrats man. Remember the line from the movie Scarface: "Don't be enjoyin' your own product."

Charles, keep the head on a swivel. I worked with lots of 'em, got to like a few, don't trust any.

.38 Super headspaces on the case mouth rim, which made for lots of variance in the old days. I had pallets of it at the AMU I couldn't give away. Sooner or later it'll go to the CMP as surplus.

Rick, hope it was a good trip. I just got back from Memphis and I can't understand how folks back east want to live in that kind of humidity.

sinister
Wednesday, July 21, 2010, at 22:31:50 (ZULU)

Just got back from a run, through Kabul to the airport. I used to think driving in Dallas sucked. Used to. Shit....Death Race got nothin' on these idiots.

I like two or three Afghanis.....wouldn't trust one of them as far as he could flap his arms and fly. The same ones that smile and wave at you today will, if the imams tell him to, hack your head off with a dull butterknife tomorrow. So....I just act like I'm walking into a quinceanera, uninvited. :)

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Agfagistan - Thursday, July 22, 2010, at 12:47:23 (ZULU)

For those unfamiliar with the Latin American culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincea%C3%B1era

A Quinceñera, Quince, Quinceañero or Quince años (English: "fifteen years"), is a coming of age ceremony held in some Latin American cultures on a girl's fifteenth birthday, comparable to a Sweet Sixteen celebration.

Planning begins up to a year in advance, and requires the resources of several members of the family and friends. The family priest will perform a Quinceañera ceremony in church. The girl's baptismal godparents will oversee the spiritual celebration, and her many friends and relatives will attend to see the recognition she will receive as she makes the transition from girl to young lady in everyone's eyes.

Quinceañera are comparable in scope and grandeur to weddings, and the party atmosphere that follows the somewhat more subdued religious atmosphere. There is a significant dress, just as with a wedding, and can be just as expensive and unique as a wedding gown. Flowers and decorations are selected to match the color scheme of the festivities, a reception is held at which guests will be served a meal and there will be dancing for all in attendance.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 22, 2010, at 16:40:53 (ZULU)

Ok. That's the textbook definition. In south Texas, it's usually bound to turn into a drunkfest. A drunkfest in which the participants get really, really belligerent, often with knives. In which, as a "guero", I'd be about as welcome as a revenuer at a moonshiner's convention. I've worked a few of them as security; in other words, I watch my ass.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 00:19:07 (ZULU)

ROD

Here's one more. We found a S&W 38 SPL. 4 in barrrel(British) with all documentation requesting the purchase and approval of the purchase. This was when he was stationed in Holland and the pistol was bought in Germany. Then the doctumentation from the import / export through Parker Hale in Birminham England. Price paid was $23.00. The more we go through the more interesting it gets. As far as the Colt it says on it what it says. Cecil served in WW2 and Korea. Past on in 1987.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 00:45:10 (ZULU)

Gary:

The 1911A1 .38 Super - does it have USG markings on the slide and/or barrel, or just the frame? I wonder if it started life as .45 ACP but was reworked to .38 Super later?

From memory, the only difference in the frame for .45 ACP versus .38 Super is the (replacable) ejector.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 07:26:15 (ZULU)

ROD

It's on the frame. The gun shows a lot of holster ware.

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 09:44:56 (ZULU)

Gary:

I would speculate that it was converted to .38 Super after it was "retired" from on-duty service. It was likely issued in .45 ACP, which had ammunition in the supply system for AF personnel. I believe the primary source of US military-issue 1911's in .38 Super were shooting teams like AMU and some of the other services for a while. Spec Ops of various generations used them in "deniable" theaters, but that would be small potatoes. If it was indeed issued in .45 ACP it could be argued that replacing the inaccurate .38 Super barrel with an accurate one is consistent with the heritage of the pistol. (Since there would be no USG markings to be lost on the brl). Of course, that assumes that it's poor accuracy in .38 Super is annoying and money for such a project is not an issue.

Older .38 Super barrels headspaced on the extractor, modern ones headspace on the cartridge case mouth which has a salutory effect on accuracy.

Just some thoughts...

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 16:58:28 (ZULU)

Latest edition of American Rifleman shows a new tool from Leatherman, called "Military Utility Tool" or MUT. Contains stuff specifically for the M4, like a brass carbon scraping tool. Anyone have one?

Duman
Friday, July 23, 2010, at 19:43:06 (ZULU)

Duman, I don't own one but handled it at Shot Show. It looked useful, but over priced.

SSG Mac
Back from the sandbox Ya'll., - Friday, July 23, 2010, at 23:31:12 (ZULU)

Leatherman's product page on the MUT

http://www.leatherman.com/product/MUT

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 00:02:38 (ZULU)

ROD

It's kind of nice watching the 5 ft 4" Military Brat ( as she calls her self) shoot her fathers gun. She needs instruction from some one other than me. Some one she will listen to and pay attention to. I'd bring her and the 38 Super up your way , but i don't think the border would like such a thing.

Gary Kaney
N, IL, - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 02:01:00 (ZULU)

Markwell,

I shot a rat off the kitchen counter that went through the sink onto the drainer full of clean dishes. I only had an air pistol handy and that was mess enough (chest shot), I can only imagine (with giggles) the effect of the little HM2. I always bugged the manufacturers about building a 17 HM2 conversion for the AR rifles. Kimber quit 'cuz the ammo people kept changing the specs on the cartridge and the conversion units kept jamming. Folks blamed Kimber so they stopped production. I still think that an AR conversion would have been more fun than anyone should be allowed to have. No coons here in Kodiak but I still don't have a pet door.

Kat Girl, incoming email with no attachments.

CDC, I have to tell you this, yes, you sold the wrong scope. The Sightron is an excellent piece of glass that will happily show 6.5 cal holes at 500 yards. My Lapua and that scope make me look like a far better shooter than I really am. Thanks again,

the Best to All, esp, C. Hunt. It's hard to lose a buddy, you are in my thoughts.

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 05:22:37 (ZULU)

A gentleman posted to a young corporal sniper team leader, "Stay safe."

I hate that term. Staying safe is what State Department civilians tell each other as they cower and watch Soldiers and Marines go about the business of trying to kill Taliban and Al Qaida.

I wrote him this instead:

"Son, I do NOT wish you to stay safe.

"I wish you the feeling of a tight shot, the ride of perfect recoil and follow-through, the sound of guns in your ears, the smell of powder in your nose, and the taste of salt on your lips.

"I wish you the pounding of your own pulse, the exhiliration of being alive, and the satisfaction of a challenging one-shot kill.

"I wish you to see the look in the eyes of the meek who have less than a fraction of the pride you have in being an American Soldier, the thanks of a grateful nation, and the joy of cameraderie after the sound of the guns.

"I wish you the fleeting, overwhelming, and addicting rush of victory and glory.

"I wish you Godspeed, good luck, and good hunting.

"May it be so."

sinister
Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 07:03:18 (ZULU)

Gary:

Appreciate the kind thought. It can be difficult providing instruction to a family member, because of all the "baggage" associated with the pre-existing relationship. It's not absolutely impossible for an American to temporarily import a pistol into Canada, but it's way more bother than most folks are willing to endure.

If you have a strong stomach here is some material on the topic:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nm1oQgpECogJ:www.panda.com/canadaguns/+Practical+Guide+to+Canada's+Gun+Laws+for+Americans+site:panda.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

(or click my name)

The primary ref site is offline, this is a cached copy from Google.

This site has a nice intro to the topic:

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/american.html

The Illinois FOID routine is a small taste of the mindset :-(

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 07:22:35 (ZULU)

Erik, it was Bobby Whittington that lost a friend, not me. This time.

I habitually advise people, especially those that regularly go into harm's way, to "stay safe". We all do that to a certain extent, we're just not anal about it. Stay safe as long as you can, then go snakeshit for as long as you have to, then get back into safe mode again.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 10:02:52 (ZULU)

Sinister...

Yes.

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 11:52:16 (ZULU)

"Don't tke unnecessary risks", "Stay alert" or "Condition yellow" all express concern without encouraging cowardice.

CDC'
Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 14:46:06 (ZULU)

Col Dave, sorry if you did not like my "Stay Safe" term, but it was directed toward Chuck who is doing PSD work. It applies very well to his work.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
Ca, - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 19:22:08 (ZULU)

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (USASOC News Service, July 23, 2010) – John Wayne has toured Afghanistan and Iraq, hunted grizzly bears in Alaska and earned the Silver Star; and as of July 16, John Wayne is the first one-legged Soldier to graduate the Special Forces Sniper Course.

Staff Sgt. John Wayne Walding of Groesbeck, Texas, that is.

In April 2008, Walding and nine other Special Forces Soldiers from a 3rd Special Forces Group (Airborne) assault team were attacked by the Hezeb Islami al Gulbadin while searching for insurgents in Afghanistan's Shok Valley.

Walding, one of several team members who were injured, took a bullet through his right leg under his knee.

“I ripped off my boot lace and literally tied my leg to my thigh to keep it from flapping around,” Walding said.

Over the six-and-a-half hour firefight, more than 150 insurgents were killed. The members of the assault team were each awarded the Silver Star in December 2008 for their courageous actions in Shok Valley.

While recuperating, Walding worked as an assistant instructor at 3rd SFG(A)'s sniper detachment at Fort Bragg. In order to become a full-time instructor, he had to complete the Special Forces Sniper Course at SWCS.

During the course, many of Walding's classmates didn't know about his injury and prosthetic leg. Walding said he enjoyed his fellow Soldiers’ reactions upon learning about his missing leg.

“At first, [my classmates] were shocked to realize I was missing a leg,” Walding said. “Then, they realized ‘Wow, he’s doing everything I’m doing!’”

After his injury, Walding knew he wasn’t going to give up and leave the Army. He also didn’t want to spend the rest of his career behind a desk.

“You don’t become a Green Beret because you ‘kind of like it,’ you become a Green Beret because you love it and can’t imagine being anything else,” he said.

Walding said he refused to lower his personal standards following his injury, and pushed himself to excel as an instructor because he knew teams and Soldiers were relying on him. Due to his past experiences, Walding said he has a lot to offer as a member of a Special Forces team, and wouldn’t bother trying to get back to a team if he hadn't felt he could be an asset.

The seven-week Special Forces Sniper Course teaches sniper marksmanship, semiautomatic shooting, ballistics theory and tactical movement. Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Owens, an SFSC instructor in 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group (Airborne), emphasized the importance of these skills, and said it takes Soldiers like Walding to push themselves to the limits.

“Snipers have become more dynamic over the past 10 years,” Owens said. “Considering current operations overseas, snipers have never been more prevalent, because of the need for distance shooting in rugged terrain.”

Walding said he loves everything about training to be a sniper, particularly the mission, the guns and the skill. He even enjoyed training during the hottest June ever recorded in North Carolina.

“The skill of a Special Forces sniper is unparalleled,” Walding said. “This is the most prestigious sniper school in the world. That means something.”

“There was never a doubt that Walding would do well in this course,” Owens said. “He is extremely motivated, and that never dropped during the course.”

“He never asked for special treatment; he did the same training as everyone else, and scored well in all the exercises.”

Walding’s no-quit attitude has taken him from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington D.C. back to Fort Bragg, N.C., where he’s become the first amputee to graduate from the Special Forces Sniper Course.

During his initial recovery at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington D.C., Walding set up short-term goals for himself. He was a runner before the incident, averaging 50 miles per week. During recovery, he would get up and run a little more every day, always keeping his focus on that next step.

Walding is using the same process to work his way back to an operational role. As a Soldier, his first step was to finish the sniper course; the next step is acting as an instructor for his fellow Soldiers. He said he's hoping to work his way back to a place on an operational Special Forces detachment.

“I’m John Wayne, born on the 4th of July. This is what I was meant to do.” Walding said.

sinister
Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 20:01:39 (ZULU)

No worries, Mike -- he is in a job which by definition is reactive.

I'd rather leave him with something like "Should they mess with you slaughter them in Biblical proportions" rather than, "Hope you're not a target."

sinister
Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 20:06:58 (ZULU)

* I deleted my frustrated ramblings, *

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Saturday, July 24, 2010, at 22:11:41 (ZULU)

Dave, thats about the best verbage I have ever heard for PSD. With your permission I will use it.

Had a supply guy at Benning say "Bring un back wore out" when he handed us our M16s.

This brings back something the Army does that makes me want to cry. Every Soldier and even us Embedded Contractors, get the same treatment. As you walk out door to plane to sand box, the Base Commander and Command Master Sergeant shake your hand. Then when you return, they do the same thing. F Police Work no Chief I ever worked for did anything even simialr.

Our best and brightest make me proud these days. Makes you want to smack a protester.

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
Ca, - Sunday, July 25, 2010, at 00:27:20 (ZULU)

great stuff everyone. I'm stealing some quotes. I'm sappy but, Mike. The Contractors too? <tears> Wow.

Kat Girl
Sunday, July 25, 2010, at 00:53:58 (ZULU)

50 Gold Flash update:

Got a shift quadrant from an old dealer in McHenry Ill. Trans is all back together and its runnin again. All the rain we got makes for short run and there aint enough room to get out of first but the motor is strong. PO (previous owner) installed high comp pistons and a cam...IIRC a 278 deg grind and for the day that was a hot cam.

Also workin on the Shovel some too...Got the wheels off,rear bearings cleaned and rear tire/tube broke down. Back tire was so bald a racin slick has more rubber.Skeeters and humidity makin for some slow goin.Takin a break and grabbin a cup,kids got the Indy drags on gotta admit its been some years since I watched NHRA. Mopar Die Hard Funny Car team pulled a 4.16 sec run. Last I remember a 6 sec pass was fast.Damn...

Sinister,

That is one hellava send off letter.Hope the recipients cherished and carried a copy.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010, at 01:15:34 (ZULU)

Mike, I know what you mean. Most Chiefs would take you outside and physically throw you under a bus if the politicians wanted them to. That having been said, the admin guys here would detail some one here to DRIVE the damn bus if State told them to.....I'm thinking of trying to get a job with the County Sheriff just so's I can resign here and go home. Dec. 31 is the target date, then I can quit and not suffer in the pocketbook.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Sunday, July 25, 2010, at 02:51:34 (ZULU)

Charles S. Hunt I hope you have a very happy new year then. : )

UnPat IIRC the shovel case can be bored to recieve a better bearing from a EVO motor/trans. FYI

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Sunday, July 25, 2010, at 23:58:25 (ZULU)

4I's

Can you expand on that ? Are you talking motor flywheel bearings?

I replaced the back tire and repacked the wheel bearings wich I try to do every 10,000 miles or when I do a tire swap. Did the front wheel bearings at the same time since it was up in the air and I cant remember when I repacked either of them last. CRS has been gettin bad lately.

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Monday, July 26, 2010, at 02:35:32 (ZULU)

Does anyone have any experience with the "Counter Sniper" brand of scopes that used to be advertised towards the front of several firearms magazines and Sportsmens Guide is now offering? Are they the real deal ($800 for a $2400 scope?) (Sportsmen's Guide claims they have government issue marks/tags on them.) How do they compare to a Loopy or Schmidt and Bender? C'mon Pablo...let me know what you really think!

Gerry

Gerry
Newberg, OR, USA - Monday, July 26, 2010, at 20:43:40 (ZULU)

Sportsmans Guide is also selling some supposedly "brand new Bundeswehr issue body armor". If you read the fine print it's level 1. I gotta doubt the Bundeswehr (German Army) is particularly worried about being shot with .22lr.

If it seems to be too good to be true, it is.

WR Moore
Monday, July 26, 2010, at 20:59:52 (ZULU)

just wanted to say thanks again - there are some real gentlemen here!!!

okay, I'm being sentimental today.

Kat Girl
LA, CA, USA - Monday, July 26, 2010, at 22:33:44 (ZULU)

UnPat CRS limits the info available here too ; )

A Harley repair/custom shop I used to do work for (mostly boring heads and cases for bigger jugs) brought in cases from time to time. It was one of those, "bore this pocket to this specs" kind of deals. : )

But I think it was either the crank bearing pocket, or a trans mainshaft on a Sporty. But I'm leaning toward crank bearing.

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Monday, July 26, 2010, at 23:34:32 (ZULU)

4I's,

Thanks for the tip. Theres been a few times I have been tempted to bump the cubes from stock 80in to either 88in or 92in but an expensive investment for the return,(I think anyways).I know the 17yr old would love to see me build another stop light screamer but My "go fast and break parts" days are all over....Its more about the mind clear now. Hold the throttle at a nice easy 68-72mph and let the front tire navigate while the mental CD player kicks out some Southern Rock and let the miles click by.

+++++++++++++++

Counter Sniper scopes ??.... I think I am gonna go grab me a Guinness,Anybody else need somethin ???

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 01:08:27 (ZULU)

Erik in Kodiac

I know all about the 17M2 ammo inconsistancies...Have blown a number of case heads in my pistols over the past 5 years and have had several magazines forcefully ejected downward. Early CCI/Hornady

was the worst offender. Eley/Remington would not, and still will not, run the 1911s. Shot 1K new CCI in Montana at gophers in May/June between mine and a couple of buddies guns (all kimber 1911s) and it seems to be the best ammo I've shot yet in the pistols.

In rifles the ammo has always performed well regardless of lable, although early on split cases were a problem, but not a big one.

The 17M2 has become one of my favorite all time cartridges.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 02:08:14 (ZULU)

Does anyone have a pet load (something like Factory match) for 30-06 168grSMK using Varget?

Thanks!

click - I'd call it anticipating the recoil, but these guys were hilarious - high?

Kat Girl
Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 09:48:32 (ZULU)

Kat and I discussed this offline, Here's the problem: She has a very fine old Sako(?) sporter and she has to scratch for a few miserable rounds of junk ammo. I was thinking it was a .308 so I offered to put together 100 rounds for her and give her the brass. But she shoots an '06 and I can't help. What's the cheapest way we can get this poor deprived child into a 100 or so rounds of decent ammo?

CDC'
Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 14:35:18 (ZULU)

A few years ago I was shooting High Power comps with some guys with M-1 Garands. They were trying to shoot the old CMP ammo. Not much success. I loaded some 168gr SMK ammo for them using IMR (?) 4064 (IIRC) that they loved. I don't remember for sure, but I believe it was 41.5 grains with a CCI BR primer. I don't have any '06 brass right now but give me a little time, and I think I can work something out.

Indiansinger

Roger C. Carpenter
Vardaman, MS, USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 15:04:59 (ZULU)

Kat Girl:

You're on the wrong side of the Canada/US border for me, or I would be happy to help. I even load for .30-06 (feeding Garands).

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 16:24:42 (ZULU)

Kat Girl:

I'll see what the vendor databooks say for that combo, and post it.

I'll go with the gas-operated match rifle (M1) data which will definitely be safe in a decent bolt gun.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 16:32:03 (ZULU)

M72 equivilent I use here:

175gn FMJBT or SMK

47gn 2520 or IMR 4895

3.300 OAL

WLR or FED Match primer

You can use 168's if you like, won't make much difference.

S/F.....Ken M

Ken M
Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 16:51:37 (ZULU)

30-06 country,

I'm in for either brass or lead, I can't get ammo to CA easily from here, besides I owe Kat-Girl a small favor. Let me know what's wanted.

Charles Hunt, didn't mean to dump bad ju-ju on you, I hope you make it through the rest of your tour there bored (but watchful).

All the Best,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 17:56:10 (ZULU)

1911 CMC Power Mag 10 round question and experience:

Guys, had two Power Mag Plus 10 round magazines go tits up last weekend. Prior to that, three of my 10 round Power Mag (not the plus series) in a prior shooting cycle went tits up for the same reason also the casing was caught in breach of the pistol. When I shoot at these events, I am pushing out between 300+ to 500 rounds of my reloads. After taking the Power Mag off line, and using my 47D, my 1911 ran fine for the rest of the time.

The diagnosis was the feed lips spread on both Power Mag and Power Mag Plus. The Plus had less than 500 rounds and the Power Mag had about 500+ rounds each I believe.

I Corresponded via e-mail to and spoke with CMC and they were of great help. In a nut shell, what they are saying make sense but thought getting a second opinion maybe wise also.

Below is their explanation of why the feed lips spread. I fall in the category of aggressive reloading per CMC.

CMC response:

We looked up the 47D magazine you make reference to. It is an 8 round magazine. And now we are clear that the CMC mags you are writing us about are 10rd mags. There is significant difference in the way any 8rd mag (of any brand) will feed as compared to any 10rd mag (of any brand) due to the basic design of 1911 magazines.

The difference is that, again due to the geometry of 1911 magazines, the more rounds you put in a 1911 magazine the more the top will dip (or nose over downward), and lower the top round will make contact with the feed ramp on the pistol frame. So the 8th round will dip more than the 7th round, just as the 10th round will dip more than the 8th round with regards to where on the pistol feed ramp the bullet will make contact.

The bullet "dip" we have described and how low on the pistol feed ramp the bullets initially contact are also affected by cartridge overall length, i.e. how low the bullet contacts the pistol feed ramp is also directly affected by the overall length of the cartridge. Thus, overall length becomes more critical as the magazine capacity increases.

We bet it's much more than likely that with only 8 rounds in your 10rd CMC mags that the feeding is similar to your 47D 8rd mag. Perhaps your 1911 pistol may be more compatable with another brand of 10rd magazine, but we seriously doubt it.

As for feed lips spreading on magazines that have never been dropped on the ground (which doing so definitely fatigues the metal), aggressive reloads when done often with the slide locked open puts all the weight and momentum of the rounds on the feed lips when the magazine comes to a sudden halt upon being seated in the pistol. Numerous aggressive reloads with the pistol in the slide lock condition will also fatigue the material around the feed lip area. Aggressive reloads can be performed with the slide forward without ever exerting any fatigue upon the material around the feed lips. 10rds of ball ammo is 25% heavier than 8rds of ball ammo, and 10rds is 43% heavier than the original capacity of the seven round the 1911 was originally designed for. Unfortunately, there is not enough room in the magazine well for heavier gauged material to be used, so all brands of 1911 mags are restricted to the same material thickness and strength.

---End of e-mail reponse ---

After speaking with their tech guys, they stated that this was reported several years ago by the Special Operations community and that they figured out this was happening due to the aggressive style of shooting they were doing due to their training cycle.

Any inputs or thoughts are most welcome as I am curious to see if others may have had these same experience.

One question, what experience or thoughts do you folks have about the Wilson 47T 10 round magazines? My 47D never gave me issues to date and I still use them to date and I have had these magazines for 5+ years.

Darren
Bay Area, CA, USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 18:42:19 (ZULU)

CDC,

I can send you some 168gr. SMK's. I sold all of my '06 brass to Yote so I can't help with that.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The steamy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2010, at 19:56:51 (ZULU)

Does anyone have a set of '06 dies they can spare for a couple of weeks. Or - better yet - you load 'em.

CDC'
Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 01:50:57 (ZULU)

re: .30-06 loading

Speer #12 says a *max* loading of (forty-eight) 48g IMR4895 under their 168g HPBTM projectile at COAL of 3.295. That's rubbing shoulders with Ken's suggested loading.

"Recommended for gas-operated semi-automatic match rifles".

As for overall length, seat as long as you can while still

(a) clearing the magazine box

(b) chamber/barrel throat.

If I have a choice in the mater, I like to leave arond 0.015" jump to the throat. That means you can unchamber a live round w/o leaving the projectile behind even if the throat is dirty.

Chances are one of the above constraints will force you to a number pretty close to 3.300. The cartridge quoted max length is SAAMI spec at 3.340".

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 02:02:57 (ZULU)

CDC

Right now i'm short on 06 brass. I do have a set of Forester BR Dies I will lend out, or reload for Kat. It would probably be better if i loaned them to you . At this time i'm putting 12/14 hr. days. Unless there is no hurry. I also have some Nosler Compitition 168's. My load for my 06is Horn. 180 BTSP with 57.2 H4931SC Fed brass & 215 primers. Of course a Mod. 70 ( i just can't help myself, my addicted to them)

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 02:17:54 (ZULU)

CDC,

I've got 100 rds of mostly once-fired Fed 06 brass that I can size in RCBS fl dies and send to you. Will that work? I know Federal brass is a bit soft but it's mostly whats available here. We gots to keep dat Kat-girl shootin'!

I think I still have your mailing addy.

Hold 'em hard,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 05:04:56 (ZULU)

Doc: Please send bullets.

Erik: Send sized UNPRIMED brass.

Gary: All I need is the seating die.

I'll get it from there. I'll be offline for a few days.

CDC'
Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 06:18:27 (ZULU)

Thank you all so much. I'm kinda embarrassed <blush>

Kat Girl
Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 06:52:13 (ZULU)

Sinister,

You are still my hero!!!! Love your message.

Pat
Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 15:05:29 (ZULU)

Darren, I think alot of magazine issues with 1911s are reallly issues with the weapons themselves.

Since I started having John Jardiene work over my 1911s it seems they are flawless with all mags I use. My favorite 10 rd mag for use, because its shorter, is the Chip 10rdr. The Base pads suck and will break but they feed well in my 1911s. The Wilsons seem better made but are about an inch longer.

Now I only throw/threw ten rounders in weapon for entries and frankly I use Wilson 8 rds for serious daily use. The Wilson 8 rdrs feed very well and are durable. Now a long time ago, before Jardine I thought the 8rd Wilsons sucked because the 7s worked great and the 8s f'd up for me. It turned out it was feed area not magazines.

Jardiene sets the pistols up so they work with all magazines on market.

Hope this helps.

Also if you need some 190 grain 30ca Speer Match bullets I have a few extra I can send for Kat

Mike/Undude

Mike Miller
ca, - Wednesday, July 28, 2010, at 17:54:24 (ZULU)

CDC

I'll get it out this weekend.

Gary Kaney
N, IL, - Thursday, July 29, 2010, at 01:52:21 (ZULU)

Gerry....

"Counter Sniper Scope"??

Common now - Ju gotta be kidding Mang!

Cockie poopie!

First we get a "Sniper scope"... then a "Super Sniper Scope", now we have a "Counter Sniper Scope", what next, a "Super Counter Sniper Scope"... then what????

No legitimate scope company would be stupid enough to name a product "Counter Sniper Scope".

What... you can only shoot other snipers that are on FFP and shot at you... you can't initiate a first shot?? You can't shoot anything other than other snipers??

I got a great scope to sell you - original price was $3,200, now only $99.95. I'll even throw in a visit from my 400 pound sister in her lime green Ford Pinto wagon with the rusted out rocker panels. She makes great cookies (as her weight will attest to :)))

'lito

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, July 29, 2010, at 01:53:30 (ZULU)

1. you guyz are great!

2. @Rod - I had to look that one up! Funny.

3. if I tried going to the range with a migraine, I think that would be like having the opposite of a muzzle brake huh?

we used to call the old rusty dusty ones: Flint-o ;) I love the advertising idea - Maybe there's fine print; "Optics void if not used as prescribed by manufacturer."

Kat Girl

"Carpe Cannum"

"Caveat Cannum" ;)

Kat Girl
Thursday, July 29, 2010, at 02:15:43 (ZULU)

Kat Girl:

I'll see your "Carpe Cannum" with a "Canis meus id comedit" :-)

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, July 29, 2010, at 12:39:30 (ZULU)

CDC,

the brass is sized, primer pockets cleaned, and on it's way to your tender mercies. Wx here isn't good but it's in the hands of the PO gods now.

Kat-Girl, Carpe Canis, or, Agito, ergo sum. Now I have to go figure out the one Rod put up...

Shootin' weather to all,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Friday, July 30, 2010, at 05:59:27 (ZULU)

I can't wait until the "Super Counter-Sniper" scope comes out. I'll buy two.

"Semper ubi tuum sub ubi." (with liberties taken, phonetically)

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, July 30, 2010, at 13:09:24 (ZULU)

Roasters,

Just returned from NM, and some range time with Sinister and CDC'. Sinister is a class act, what I consider a true professional. CDC' is all work and all range. 'nuff said.

When CDC' gets back online in a day or two, be sure to ask him about the "Twin Testicular Tali-Whacker Shot" he took from 1,000 yards with a POS rifle he got from a fellow roaster hog.

Hehehehehehee.....

Duman
Friday, July 30, 2010, at 20:08:18 (ZULU)

I talked to Dan this morning and he told me about that LOL. I guess whoever built that little skinny sporter rifle must have put it together fairly straight :-)

Sinister if you don't mind I'd like to steal that quote.

I'm looking for at least one Remmy 700 action for a build project. I'll take an action by itself or an older/beat up complete rifle and throw out the stock and barrel. Brownell's has some with .223 bolt faces but I'd rather a standard .308 size. Please let me know if you might have one to sell or if you know of any out there. My regular email addy is marc soulie at yahoo dot com

Marc

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Friday, July 30, 2010, at 23:15:19 (ZULU)

MarcS,

Gunsmiths are supposed to build rifles for other people. You taking work yet?

medicjim
Saturday, July 31, 2010, at 02:22:35 (ZULU)

Jim- not exactly. I got an invite from a famous smith to go spend a week with him building rifles. I'm going to hang out and watch them buid guns all day, then build my own on their machines after work. I'm hoping to build two. They will be on my peronally owned receivers. I will probably sell them as my own personal guns after I get back. It should be a fun trip I'm sure I'll learn many new techniques. They crank out a lot of rifles so I'll get to see how the business runs as well as the rifle building work.

I bought my lathe and it should be delivered next week. My shop space is leased and my partner, Phantom Finishing, is fully operational with his Cerakote business. I should have my FFL in two months and then I can legally take on work.

MarcS
South S. F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, July 31, 2010, at 05:09:04 (ZULU)

MarcS
South S. F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, July 31, 2010, at 06:15:03 (ZULU)

Rod

E-Mail inbound (Pete)

Gary Kaney
N.W., IL, - Saturday, July 31, 2010, at 15:25:36 (ZULU)

MarcS - congratulations on your invitation! Been awhile since I've heard from you - hope everything is going well!

Kat Girl
Saturday, July 31, 2010, at 22:13:23 (ZULU)

Gary:

No joy on Roster Mail, apparently not working. A test Roster mail msg to myself failed to be delivered.

my addy is Romeo Sierra Romeo "shifted 2" HFX period ANDARA dot Charlie Oscar Mike

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunday, August 1, 2010, at 06:37:24 (ZULU)

The set up for shooting with Sinister and Duman was nearly ideal. Sinister works hard at having fun so he has his own set of steel targets and bases as well as the use of a 1000 yard range with firing lines every 100 yards. As cool as that is the best part was having him as a spotter. The only frustrating aspect of the shooting day was my extreme rustiness. Rather than being relaxed, my positions were chains of tense muscles and I didn't start seeing through any of my shots until late. Sinister never pointed it out and neither of them were anything other than positive. Both guys are class acts and I appreciate the cordiality extended by both of these fine gentlemen.

Duman: My reason for putting shots through each testicle at 1000 is that I don't want the bastards breeding.

CDC'
Sunday, August 1, 2010, at 19:00:26 (ZULU)

CDC - Duman is a real gentleman. Only one I've actually met face to face, but then all of you are.

'Lito - mega congrats on the new place!

@Hawgz - Travis sent me a message and said to pass along his best regards to all of you. Either he just moved or is in the process.

Kat Girl
Sunday, August 1, 2010, at 20:54:26 (ZULU)

Sorry for the double tap up there that's from iPhone posting.

I spent the day on a private 6,000 acre ranch near King City in central California yesterday. Very rugged terrain with hardly any flat spots and some vertical walls that must have been 500 to 700 feet above the dry creek beds below. The land owner is interested in hosting an event similar to ASC on this place. I'm working on it with a few friends right now. I really, really don't want to be a match director but this opportunity for a west coast mountain match is too good to pass up. Hopefully I don't make a complete ass of myself.

I shot my .243 out to 1,600 yards and got a few hits, but couldn't do it reliably. The misses were seldom seen so I could not figure out exactly where I was impacting much of the time. The ones I could see see were not tight. I think about a six foot circle. I was able to get consistent hits at 1,400 yards on a 24" square plate. That was the farthest distance I've ever been able to get consistent hits like that. I ran JBM dope in my iPhone for the range and conditions and dialed for both distance and wind. The first round was very close. I quickly adjusted my hold and sent five consecutive hits which felt great. I'm shooting a 115 DTAC at 3K fps and the density altitude was about 3,500 as I remember with a temp of around 75. My come up was 13.5 mils and I believe my wind was about 2 to 2.5 mils in a full value 5 mph. It's in my log book but I don't remember exactly. I shot a lot of targets yesterday. The closest ones were about 750 yards but they were also 24" square so that got boring pretty fast.

I can't believe the deal I just got on my lathe. Two years old and like new 12,000 dollar machine from a shop that's closing down. Nice digital read out, variable speed, and it's prestine. Now comes all of the little related pieces of tooling and stuff. It is adding up quickly.

I will be able to take work in about a month which is much sooner than I'd originally thought. I'm working on my website and putting together a bunch of pictures of rifles I've built recently. I'll post that when it's ready. Hopefully you guys will consider me for some work soon.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, August 2, 2010, at 02:23:39 (ZULU)

MarcS....Be caeful what you wish for....ASC has grown hair over the years...We actually had somebody suggest we run 3 or four extra matches so we could accomodate everyone who wants to come shoot. If you do your version of ASC you'll understand why we don't do anymore than we do now. And to those who think you make all that money on a match...Well, I suggest they run one sometime and figure the hourly rate of return. 'Nuf said!!

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Monday, August 2, 2010, at 12:19:34 (ZULU)

John,

With all the experience you guys have at this point, I'm sure you must be making enough for a cup of coffee per year. That's well worth all the bitching and complaining....no?

medicjim
Monday, August 2, 2010, at 14:28:37 (ZULU)

Jim that's funny. John I don't know all that's involved but I do know enough to know that I do not want to be a match director. We just can't let this opportunity get away from us. California shooters need this match. It would be great to have you and Rod come out for a weekend to shoot with us and provide some insight. Early November would be a good time since there wouldn't be so many rattle snakes. They kill, on average, about 50 rattlers a year. They've lost several dogs, cows and horses to rattlesnake bites too. They are thick out there so early spring or late fall would be the best times.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Monday, August 2, 2010, at 15:53:39 (ZULU)

Funny story...

I met both Rod and John (of ASC fame) at Storm Mountain training center. During the run up to the famed "stalk" competition... the owner of the center walks out into the field to demonstrate how the 'walker' will approach you and confirm the quality of your FFP. He makes like he is suddenly shocked by something and then whips out a hangun and fires several times at the ground. He then walks back with a 4' long, dead rattlesnake in tow.

We then moved quickly to begin the competition while pondering that same encounter while low crawling (no opportunity for the more cynical types to inform the noobs). The whole thing was a setup, but was indeed good fun.

medicjim
Monday, August 2, 2010, at 19:45:19 (ZULU)

Medicjim:

At least be thankful that being shot in the grass with pistol wasn't the prescribed immediate action drill for those who failed to be well enough concealed during the stalk :-)

oy vey!

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Monday, August 2, 2010, at 21:05:12 (ZULU)

Medicjim,

Holy hangfires, Batman! Talk about "pour encourager les autres" Let's see, if I can get around that tree and get that snake to move to his left I can-AAAGGHH!!

Snake-free stalks to all,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 17:13:48 (ZULU)

I figured rattlers would be more afraid of youz mugs that they'd scoot the other way... :8-D

Duman
Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 17:20:32 (ZULU)

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/08/03/radioactive-boars-rampaging-germany/?test=latestnews

No wonder "Piggy Pete" Lincoln is so busy. ; )

4i's
Siloam Springs, AR, USA - Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 20:36:20 (ZULU)

Dan and Duman, it was nice to host a range day. Glad you had fun.

Dan's best shot was after hitting almost max elevation at 900 with a flat mount and a 21-inch 7.62. We used up his last five quarter clicks at 1,000 and I had him hold 2 mil-dots high.

First round impacted centerline of the E-type on the bottom edge, thus sending a 175 Match King through the boys.

------------

VA says I'm 80% disabled but disallowed some of the worst pain I have. Got to start the appeal paperwork now.

sinister
Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 22:28:08 (ZULU)

Erik: Pour encourager les serpents de grandir les jambes et courir (battre-pieds)! ;D

Sinister, Duman, CDC et al: I still can't even think 1k! Oh, I would think calling someone's rifle a POS would be like saying his dog is ugly <laughing> Wow, having any of you as a spotter - wow...

kat girl
Tuesday, August 3, 2010, at 23:31:47 (ZULU)

Kat: Shooting at 1K is same as shooting at 100. Target just looks smaller and you have to concentrate on the basics. It's why we have telescopes on the rifles.

(I'm simplifying a bit, but you get my drift.)

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 02:23:26 (ZULU)

CDC

Seater die went out sat.

Gary Kaney
N, IL, - Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 02:42:35 (ZULU)

kat: Charles Hunt is right. If you want to shoot 1K, just find a 1K range and start shooting. It is essentially the same as shooting jellybeans with a good .22 And Duman was joking. The rifle is just fine for a light sporter. It's a Rem 700 with a 21" 1/12 sporter weight shilen barrel, a Shilen trigger and a loopy 1" 3.5-10 without an AO. 1K is pushing the rifle's performance envelope a bit. Sinister did the thinking. All I did was pull the trigger rather badly. The .300 win worked much better.

CDC'
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 04:19:12 (ZULU)

Ok, folks, for the record: The 308 rifle that CDC' was shooting is really a rifle to behold. I've been coveting it even before CDC' put one down range. I want one as soon as production begins. It's a high quality piece, and obviously a real shooter.

Watching Sinister call the wind was a real lesson. Grasshopper learning... :8-o

Duman
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 06:28:53 (ZULU)

on a 500 yd range a few months ago (my last serious range session) I began to realize what an art wind estimation is [ 10 mph full value with 20mph gusts funnn]. It feels like 1000 yd ranges in SoCal (like CCW permits) are as common as chickens with lips though - maybe MarcS knows where some are hidden in my AO :D

p.s. I LOVE N.M. Visited there (Springer) once about 10 yrs ago. All over people were nicer than I even expected, amazing variety of environments, food and the absolute best Chile Verde I've ever had...didn't hurt that's where I got my Pronghorn with the Sako from a decent range up in the 6000 ft ranchland and mesas. Man, what a great trip that would be now.

Last rattler I whacked - I ate. Not bad, but not something I'd want every day :) Meow

Kat Girl
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 06:37:43 (ZULU)

I can host small groups here in Rio Rancho (northwest of Albuquerque) for a little while longer until I hear from a couple of potential employers. Just give me a heads-up so I can deconflict with the club and my missus.

There's a Comfort Inn two blocks from the house and my range (KD to 1,000) is about 20 minutes away. I have steel, wind flags, guns, bullets, and a spotting scope.

Native New Mexican food is chock full o' Bruce Robinson's beloved red and green chiles.

sinister
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 07:11:01 (ZULU)

When I saw Kat write something about New Mexico and "chile" I instantly thought of Bruce. Time flies.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 08:40:46 (ZULU)

MarcS...We have Timber rattlers here in our area. One year Rod and Brock killed a pair in about an hour on the mountain. They were both in the 54 inch range. I almost stepped on one Last year. Whacked it with my Model 27 Smith. I hate those buggers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can someone give me a short but accurate lesson on the exact difference between the Picatinny and Weaver Rails??? I should know this, but I don't.

Outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 15:01:08 (ZULU)

Kat, I know of two civilian 1,000 yard ranges in California -- one in Sacramento and one in Coalinga. These links are for Coalinga (they even occasionally sponsor 1,000-yard .50 cal shoots):

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=252696

http://zouaves.org/gallery/2004_coalinga/coalinga_map.pdf

http://www.carifle.com/Schedules/Jsch_coal_hp.htm

This public one's in Yuma, Arizona: http://www.spragues.com/wheretoshoot.html

sinister
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 17:09:14 (ZULU)

Kat, if you're gonna start shooting long-range (out to 1K), go someplace where the wind is constantly blowing, in every which way, at all sorts of speeds. Spend at least one day, just with a spotting scope, and start looking at mirage. If you have a Kestrel, use it for atmospheric dope like pressure and humidity, but don't get too wrapped around the axle on wind speed, it only tells you how fast it is where YOU'RE at, not where the bullet is at 40 ft. up, or at the inevitable places where it whips and eddies. And have someone else to shoot, while you just dope wind for them. You'll learn as much about shooting while screwing up their shots as you will behind the trigger. Plan on doing that for about two years. Have fun!

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 18:36:36 (ZULU)

Chuck said:

"You'll learn as much about shooting while screwing up their shots as you will behind the trigger."

If you're like me, you learn more behind the spotting scope than you do on the rifle.

"Plan on doing that for about two years."

At least.

"Have fun!"

It's tremendous fun to do the spotters full job and be rewarded with hit after hit after hit. That's assuming you've got someone on the trigger that will trust your calls though.

As Sinister once said, you can teach someone to shoot well in a week, but it takes much longer to raise a good spotter. It's amazing how much of a better spotter I am though when the shooter is running rounds through a tube of 6.5mm diameter (GRIN)

And speaking of, I'm glad you're hanging around here again Sinister!

Bravo
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 19:11:30 (ZULU)

Learning on the spotting scope sounds like another great thing for me to do - I will have to contact some of the guys I've met who can actually shoot down here! :) Welcome back Bravo!

Chuck - thanks - I will do that, I have my Kestrel (old one w/o barometer, but I think I have an altitude/baro watch somewhere) Great idea!

I'm doing a layaway for a little Lee hand press (no room here for my Dillon) - Didn't one of the guys of Bain/Davis used to be on here? That's where I'm ordering it.

@Sinister: (furtively looking both ways) when I get some money (whenever that might be) I am thinking hard about that muzzle brake you mentioned, esp since the range and times I shoot, I wouldn't be bothering anyone...don't tell JoeM about it, he'll get mad at me (he doesn't like seeing brakes anything less than a .50 ) ;D Of course, without that kind of discretionary funds, no brake. Or maybe rather than muzzle brake - head back down to NM for those chiles!

I think I mentioned - I got to try someones Lilja .50 bolt (shhh Calif). I hit was I was aiming no problem at 500 yd but still seeing double ! It was kind of like instant martial arts. Still it sure felt like I was Doing something!

Best to all of you out there!

Kat Girl
Wednesday, August 4, 2010, at 23:43:32 (ZULU)

Weaver rail- has male dovetail edges that mates with the female dovetail on the rings.

Picatinny rail- the flats on the top of the rail serve as a foundation for the matching flat on the lower rings. The dovetail portion of mount/base serve to lock the ring to the mount and exert downward pressure to hold the mount/ring flats tight.

Both systems use the cross bolts as recoil shoulders. The Picatinny crossbolt frequently has a square cross section to make return to POI closer.

There is some interchangability between the systems.

WR Moore
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 01:02:27 (ZULU)

Hey guys... years ago I took a chance on a no-name starting smith named "George"... it worked out pretty well and that rifle was one of his first commercial builds... I still have it and like it alot.

Well, I think I'm gonna go again with some no name dude that goes by "Marc"... anyway... I'm thinking I need a 223 AI in the stable. I'm looking for suggestions, tales of woe, whatever... I need to pick a barrel maker, groove count and a reamer to match....I simply do not know much about the hopped up 22s

I'm thinking either a lightweight hunter or a LTR-esque build for this first... I have two actions, the LTR stock and assorted goodies... just don't know which to lead off with...

IF I start with the hunter, I need a stock...maybe a McM edge? or the Manners one he builds for lightweight... both are in crazy expensive...anyone know of an alternative? I may have to live with a plastic rem stock for the interim, till I can save up enough sheckels

Maybe we can work through the decisions here and I'll post updates on the build and field evaluation as time goes by....to pass the time and share the experience

medicjim
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 04:07:06 (ZULU)

Kat, having moved every two to three years I had to keep my Dillon 550 portable (usually set up in the garage). I mounted it on a small, cheap work station I got at Home Depot. Harbor Freight carries the same version:

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_1262.jpg

http://www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-height-heavy-duty-workstation-46725.html

Keep bullets and powder on the lower shelf to keep it from shifting about. It would probably work in an apartment.

sinister
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 05:30:21 (ZULU)

wow Harbor Freight rocks - still coveting that lil belt sander (all in the future) but the worktable looks perfect - there's one near where I live - will go check it out!!!! Thanks!!! ballast=click

Kat Girl
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 05:55:53 (ZULU)

Jim, I don't know much about the Ackley Improved .223s but a standard .223 makes a good little bolt gun that will get you hits to 1,000 with a Sierra 80 -- but you've really got to keep up on winds.

I'd go for a cut-rifled 1-8 or 1-7 light Palma profile, longish (maybe 26"), and that LTR or an HS 700V stock. That would make a portable but comfortable rifle that's giggly accurate, light kicking, and ridiculous cheap to feed.

You can use flat-base varmint and benchrest bullets to 200; any of the 68 to 77s to 600; and 80s to 1,000. 90s will require a faster 1-6.5 twist. There are so many good .224 bullets out there that the combinations are mind-boggling.

I'm confident Marc will make a fine gun.

sinister
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 06:55:10 (ZULU)

Marc's rifles have been shot enough in competitions to have established a pretty impressive record. He and I have worked out a labor swap on a build. As soon as his shop is up and going - and I can scrape up the parts - he's building me a M-24 clone I need to test and refine cheekwelders.

Marc: Tell us about your rifles' competition records.

CDC'
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 13:52:45 (ZULU)

Sinister: Sarge and I have seen that you can get fairly consistant results out to 1K with Sierra 77's. I was using my NM HP Service rifle with a DPMS 1-8 bbl. I had some 80's that required single-loading because of mag length problems, and they didn't seem to make much differenct than the 77's. Wind was a bitch.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 14:22:51 (ZULU)

With the new AI DBM mags for 223... I can load up a long 223AI with 80s and mag feed them.

I'm thinking a 22" 1:8 twist... maybe a 3 groove pacnor? Might have Marc thread the muzzle and toss on a AR type suppressor on it just to protect the crown.

Sinister - a Light Palma taper is similar to a #5 profile...?

medicjim
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 14:56:31 (ZULU)

WRMoore....Many Thanks for the info.

Madicjim...I was on the phone last nite with said new rifle builder; he Shot ASC last year.

I also am planning a rifle with him in .223..

My goal is a light sporter similar to my ULA 250 Savage which weighs 6 Lbs. Approx. bbl length 20", 1-14 twist since I do not shoot the heavy bullets. No floor plate to save weight. For me, this rifle will be kind of an everyday do all rifle for use here in the mountains. May or not work up a load especially for it.

The AI cartridge is out for me as I don't want to have to deal with the brass issue and the standard 223 has always done all I've asked of it. Plus,I alrady have several 223 Varmint guns, load all the ammo for them on a Dillon 550, and shoot the same load in all the rifles; 55gr. Balistic tips/26gr. Win 748/ Win SR primers/ asstd. cases. All the rifles shoot minute of prairie dog. I have shot some deer with the 60 gr. Nosler partition and recommend that bullet highly for those who are careful shots and want a light recoiling deer cartridge. I'd like to try the .22 cal TSX but haven't had a chance yet.

I talked to Todd Jackson about the super light Manners stock and may just have them bed the rifle...We'll see.

I have a LTR in 223 that shoots great as well as two other LTR sized varmint guns with Bison barrels. At this point in my life the LTR sized guns are about as big as I like to tote around.

I'll follow your project with interest.

outa here

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 15:07:46 (ZULU)

Sinister,

THat gives me an idea.... I have a Blac-n-Decker 'Workmate' workbench, with a plywood insert I made, turning it into a table. I can drill a few holes for the Dillon, and use that as a loading bench. The whole thing folds up into a nice, transportable package.

THanks!

Duman
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 15:11:28 (ZULU)

I've seen B&D Workmates mentioned by several reloaders who are space constrained in other fora.

rod regier
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 16:47:55 (ZULU)

A Remington Varmint / Sendero is generally/close to a 5.5 profile. Finishing at 26 inches it'll be 4.65 pounds.

A 30-inch Light Palma will be around 4.5 pounds. Cut it shorter and it'll shed a few more ounces but be thick down around the chamber/shank area and a shade lighter than a 700 Varmint or Sendero.

http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/charts/barrel_barrel_blank.htm

http://www.bartleinbarrels.com/contours.htm

http://www.pac-nor.com/contours/

Like many I hate lugging around heavy guns, epsecially at higher altitudes, but I want a rifle that'll still hammer. My old Sergeant Major never fails to put Georgia deer in the freezer shooting 64-grain Winchester Power Points. Might also do well against antelope if you're careful.

Which reminds me, anyone heard from Doc King? That guy is (or used to be) a deer-culling fool. All about placement.

My Pentagon cubicle mate and I hunted deer together a few times. When we weren't shotgun hunting he used a Ruger #1 single shot. He asked me how many rounds I had in my .308 700 and I told him three.

"You ever use all three?"

"Nope."

"Then why not use a single-shot?"

I couldn't answer him.

Kat, yep, that ballast will work. I used to keep two or three 500-count boxes of cast .45 ACP bullets on the bottom shelf.

Doc Jim, if that AI DM setup will take the 80s in a repeater you're in business. Some guys found their National Match M16s shot the 80s so well they used them for both standing (slow fire 200 yards) and the 600 yard stages of the National Match Course. It's a long, slippery bullet that shoots well.

sinister
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 19:05:53 (ZULU)

excellent - Sinister, I just happen to have 3 x 500 count .40 cast boxes!!

Looks like the bench was a timely question - I'm glad others can use it!

Kat Girl
Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 20:47:02 (ZULU)

Thanks for the kind words and vote of confidence guys.

CDC- I don't want to brag but my rifles really have been shooting well :-) Won a few matches and placed well in some others. Some by me and some by my friends. I will not ship a rifle that doesn't shoot tight.

I'm going on a do it yourself, 10 day fishing trip in Valdez, Alaska in late August next year. A friend of mine has been doing this trip for years and it's relatively cheap the way he does it. I'm thinking of building a midweight .223 to bring along. Maybe pop some crows and varmints if the local laws allow it. I'm going to make mine an Ackley Improved with a light palma and McM A3 edge.

I just finished a rifle last night that I think will work well. It's a Surgeon action, Rem trigger, MacMillan A5 with a KMW Loggerhead cheek piece that I installed, Badger base/rings and DBM, and a Krieger #10 MTU chambered in 7 RSAUM with a Surefire brake and a Premier 5-25. I haven't weighed it but it's a heavy beast. From what I've been reading the SAUM seems like a better cartridge than the WSM but I have no first hand knowledge yet. It definitely cycles and functions through the A.I. magazines much better. My friend is going to shoot it in the monthly long range match at Sacto this weekend.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Thursday, August 5, 2010, at 22:49:30 (ZULU)

US Army Special Operations Command. Master Sergeant Jared Van Aalst Killed in Action.

SFC Emil Praslick, Service Rifle Coach, USAMU will escort home MSG Jared Van Aalst from Dover Air Base, Delaware to Fort Benning, Georgia on Saturday.

Jared was the 2005 All-Army Service Rifle Champion while serving in the Sniper Platoon, 3rd Ranger Battalion. He was a former USAMU Service Rifle shooter, Distinguished Rifleman, SOTIC graduate, winner of the Fort Benning International Sniper Competition, and former NCOIC of the US Army Sniper School.

http://news.soc.mil/Memorial%20Wall/Bios/Van%20Aalst_Jared.pdf

sinister
Friday, August 6, 2010, at 04:32:30 (ZULU)

Hello to All,

OK, I'll bite: why the 223 AI and not just a plain old 223 Rem? Or go up to a 25 cal ctg based on the 223 or 222 Rem mag. I'm not trying to start a fight here, I am honestly puzzled. Does the AI improve the performance that much? Or is it just 'cause you want one? If it's the latter, I'm right there with you and the next round is on me for asking a stupid question. If the former, educate me. It seems the more I learn, the more I find out I don't know poop about. I may actually be going backwards in this regard. I remember knowing everything, of course, I was 18 then...

Always sad to hear of losing one of our soldiers. I will keep his family in my thoughts.

Quietly,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 00:54:09 (ZULU)

I'm going to be like one of those "numbers SW stations" Hey you! Hope you enjoyed that 49,000 lb natcho fest in Pensacola!

Just curious - how is the 25-06 thought of in the accuracy dept?

re Medicjim "never mind" :)

Kat Girl
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 01:03:06 (ZULU)

That's a painful story. Prayers go out to that young man and his family.

Erik- I'm just thinking I want one for no other reason than I've never had one. I guess another reason is that I've never worked with any A.I. carts. Barrels are expendable and I build my own rifles. It's not a lifetime commitment.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 01:09:31 (ZULU)

"I build my own rifles" I am so envious - stop bragging!!! j/k j/k that is terrific!

Re: 5.56AI I know, you just like little cartridges with broad and beefy shoulders!

phone calls: Break out the red wine Marc!!!

question; Is where you're going in ALaska on the panhandle? - I had friends who used to go to West-Nowhere to fish and play Grizzly bait!

if the AMU part is true and you worked with him than my most sincere and heartfelt condolences to you Sinister

Kat Girl
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 01:29:33 (ZULU)

I suspect Sinister was probably this man's commanding officer. If he was the NCOIC, he would have been Sinister's 'right hand'...all this is wild guessing.

Sinister - I am sorry for the loss...we are all diminished when such fine men pass.

medicjim
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 01:52:35 (ZULU)

223AI - reason why vs a bigger round

-Free brass (local PD tac team lets me have some of the once fired)

-cheap reloads (less powder, inexpensive bullets)

-My local ranges are limited to 500 yards

-low recoil lets me shoot more rounds per day out in the prone

-lots of commonality with my AR stuff

---------------

223AI reason why vs straight up 223

-gives me something like 10% more umph to push the 80 grainers

-because it's there and I wanna play

-less trimming?

medicjim
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 13:38:58 (ZULU)

Any one heard about this? http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?id=14092.

Seem the EPA wants to ban all ammo with lead.

HDR
Bartlesville, OK, - Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 15:17:49 (ZULU)

pros on Ackley Improved designs:

Aren't they simple to fireform as well?

Kat Girl
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 18:40:23 (ZULU)

HDR: It's not the EPA, it's some whacko environmental group. And they're using arguments that have already been proven completely false. Of course, that means that the EPA will probably listen to them.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 19:02:09 (ZULU)

Marc S.

Thank you, should we ever meet-the first round is on me.

Kat Girl: the proper AI chamber should be cut so it takes a bit of extra force to close the bolt on a factory round. After that just light the big light and the round is fireformed. Considering the size of our Sitka Blacktail deer here the heavy bullet option makes sense. I wonder what a 75 gr HP or V-max would do. We generally are at shorter ranges, too, often well inside 50 yards. They are tasty but not too smart.

Take Care all,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 19:55:06 (ZULU)

Erik - heard Sitka deer are good and at 50yds, no problems with them warming up too much huh? :) I'll have to try some someday. Even I can connect at 50 haha

Kat Girl
Saturday, August 7, 2010, at 20:06:38 (ZULU)

You live in God's country Erik. I am sure I will fish for steelhead and hunt black tail deer on your island someday. When I do I will take you up on your offer for sure. This year I'm going to Valdez just to fish. Maybe Kodiak next year?

That 7 SAUM I built which I mentioned earlier took second place in the Sacto match today. My friend was shooting it and he beat me. Rude bastard :)

I had a strange day and I learned that you cannot take a break from long range shooting and still remember how to read difficult, shifting winds. Well, at least I can't. I shot several 5 round groups that were half MOA, some much smaller, but didn't put them in the middle of the target! At 1,000, I put 5 into a 5.5" group and 3 into a 2" group; at 900 5 into a 3.5" group; at 600 for the head shots I put 3 into a 2" group just outside the edge for ZERO points; at 500 head shots it was 3 into a 1.5" group but only two hit inside the edge. What a pisser. Accurate rifle but a lousy driver. This was with my .243 that I built last year. Some of you may remember when I posted that pic of the tiny little group it shot on the day I broke in the barrel. It has about 1,700 rounds through it at this point and obviously still shoots very tight.

I got my lathe today. It's fantastic. As soon as I get the power hooked up and the various bits and associated tooling I'll be ready to start taking on work. I'm totally excited and scared shitless all at the same time.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 04:56:32 (ZULU)

MarcS-before you get too enthused, make sure the lathe is level in both planes before you start cutting. It do make a difference and it's a PITA!

WR Moore
Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 06:59:08 (ZULU)

One of the things I've been discussing with my wife is the prospect of going back to school and taking machine shop courses. I've wanted to start building accurate rifles for at least a decade. I have no commercial aspirations, I just want to do it for myself and maybe a few buddies. I've had an FFL in the past and gave it up when the Feds got all squirrelly on dealers a couple of decades ago, and I don't want to deal with that again. So.....I don't want to go into "the business" I just would like to do nice stuff for me. MarcS, I'll probably be a pest, sometime down the road. I have plans for a .599 Chuckster (Improved) Elkwhacker!

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 09:40:56 (ZULU)

WR- I have some friends who are professional machinists. They have advised me through the purchasing process and are coming over in the next couple of days to level it. The levels they use are more sensitive and accurate than anything I've ever seen as a carpenter.

Chuck- I think you need to plan a trip to California. We could build rifles, drink beer, and catch fish.

MarcS
South S.F. Bay area, CA, - Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 15:47:52 (ZULU)

Chuck and Mark...can I tag along if I bring the beer?

medicjim
Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 15:59:45 (ZULU)

The .223 AI.

Jim, there are a few things to keep in mind.

1 - the increase is NOT 10% (that's sales talk)... the standard .223 case is a 29 grain case - the AI version is a 30 grain case - that's ~3%.

The cost of quality match dies skyrockets when you go to an AI case.

Plus there is the cost of fireforming - bullets, powder, and barrel wear.

And... you will NEVER see the difference down range.

There are cases that truly benefit from being blown out - the .223 AI is not one of them, and it is over rated.

Speaking of the .223/5.56mm

Holy cow... did I get an "intimate" relationship with this little beastie over the past two weeks.

We had 70,000 of loaded rounds that were perfect - except that they were not FL sized and would not chamber in 90%+ of riffles.

So, with the help of Redding "Body" dies (Full size on the body and shoulder, but clearance for a loaded neck), and a RCBS RockChucker press, they were manually sized - all 70,000 of the friggin' little shits!

I learned (besides that it sucked)... the Redding body die is a life saver (second lesson with them).

I also now have a right arm that can rip the doors off off of a 1957 Cadillac :)))

Before I got there, they had a fellow pulling the loaded rounds for pieces parts and powder, and had gone through ~11,000, so I now had 11,000 primed, but not sized cases!

This was taken care of with a Dillon .223 Carbide sizer die (withOUT the decapping pin). This is my first experence with the Dillon Carbide rifle die. I had never owned one. I never though I would wear out a standard sizing die, and they are cheap anyway - and no one I know ever owned one either - at $115 each, they are steep.

We have 4 of them on the 1050's in the plant and they are out-friggin-standing.

It is not so much that they are wear proof (they are) - They are, without question, the best made dies I have ever used.

First off, the insides have the finest polish that is imaginable - they require less than 1/2 the force of a standard sizing die, on the press handle to get a case sized. But they are also minimum body dies - after sizing, the base of the body in front of the web, is the exact same diameter of the head. Once polished, you cannot tell the case from a new/unfired case.

I have one on order for my own place.

Lubes - RCBS case lube #2 - (water soluble) is pure gold in a jar!!! 2 oz will lube 20,000 cases using the Lyman lube pad !!!

The RCBS pad is garbage and I threw them out !!!!!

The stuff is clean and easy to apply and remove - we put three large towels on a long table. The first one wet, the second one damp, and the third one dry... then we would put three of four handfulls of ammo on the first towel. We rolled the loaded rounds around on the wet towel for about 5 to 10 seconds, then over to the damp towel for the same time, then over to the dry towel for the same time, and then pushed them off the end of the table into a large commercial bin. They were ready to pack and ship by the time they hit the end of the table - we cleaned the lube off of 70,000 rounds (approximately ONE TON!) in ~3 hours!!!

Did the same with the re-sized primed cases - with no water getting in the cases... 11,000 ready to load in 40 minutes!!!

I'm still learning loading stuff after 917 years :)))))

'lito (meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 16:48:17 (ZULU)

'Lito - thanks! You'll be refining our reloading repertoire!! Challenge Ruggus Rattus to arm wrestling now :D

MarcS - you'll be luring forum folk to California? Gotta have a shop-warming partay!

p.s. a salute to an ad you guys will remember - click

also when I was still competing - my short range slug groups

http://www.kontain.com/kat_girl/entry/14/96156

Kat Girl
Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 21:15:28 (ZULU)

MarcS: When I'm done with this gig, you bet! MedicJim: with or without beer, bring it on....we'll get beer when you show up.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Sunday, August 8, 2010, at 23:59:54 (ZULU)

Oh, and Marc, my knowlege of rifle building extends as far as snapping an AR upper to the lower. Though I did free-float and bed both my Howas.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Monday, August 9, 2010, at 09:11:02 (ZULU)

The world just became a more dangerous place. The U.S. Navy is confronted with a new threat; the Iranians are fielding a new, locally made submarine. The 120-ton Ghadir is the latest in a line of innovative solutions to Iran's littoral maritime defense needs. I guess they figure that, after 40+ years of neutralizing anything the Soviet Union threw at us, we're not going to be able to come up with a viable defense against a few submersible dinghies. The biggest problem they had, according to Western experts, was getting watertight seals around the oar holes.....

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Monday, August 9, 2010, at 09:20:53 (ZULU)

"watertight seals around the oar holes....."

Ya know, that WOULD be tough. :8-)

Duman
Monday, August 9, 2010, at 14:30:49 (ZULU)

Pablo: I'm following your experiences with interest. Keep 'em coming and don't spare the technical detail and tool evals.

CDC'
Monday, August 9, 2010, at 14:31:38 (ZULU)

Well, as an alum, I watch HP news with some interest. In 2009 Mark Hurd was the most admired CEO in the Fortune 500. Now, he resigned from trying to cover his tracks with false reporting of expenses during his chase of a hot blonde. HP apparently does not mean 'huge penis', more likely HP == Huge Putz. He gave up a $30M/year job over a few thousand $$ in false expense reporting.

Another dumbass bites the dust.

Dumanq
Monday, August 9, 2010, at 14:52:43 (ZULU)

Re: Iranian submarines. I'm trying to get my mind wrapped around their delivery systems....sailors with bomb vests? The forward torpedo room's gonna look like a Jackie Chan movie, ten guys standing around, screaming at the torpedo, shaking their fists and yelling "Allahu Akhbar" or something. Call to prayer, five times a day, is gonna play hell with their acoustic signature. If they're anything like this place, the first things out of the torpedo tubes are gonna be an old mattress, the odd prayer rug, last weeks garbage (all of it) some nasty sandals and a goat carcass.

I don't even want to think of what the chow spaces are gonna smell like.

The effect on our fast-attack boats is bound to be catastrophic. Sonar crews are gonna be laughing themselves sick.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Monday, August 9, 2010, at 15:59:30 (ZULU)

Marc, I need to time my next visit to teh shop when you and Scott are there. I have some more stuff for Francis to deliver. I have a job for you. I want my 24" Howa cut to 20".

Pablito, agreed on Redding dies. I used another brand for many years until I used my first Redding Die abot ten years ago. Now thats all I buy.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
ca, - Monday, August 9, 2010, at 17:34:42 (ZULU)

CDC' ditto - Go 'Lito more good stuff to learn (even if vicariously)

Iranian subs???? I'm still laughing. Jeez I shouldn't say this but riding up in Summers in the Sci. bldg elevators w/ all those civil engineers from that area made me dizzy. A portable minarete would make a killer radar signature. "They call me Capt Ahab 'cuz were the camels of the sea" and filled w/ U-no-what.

so wrong ;)

police and CCWs good article - click

Kat Girl
Monday, August 9, 2010, at 18:44:16 (ZULU)

Minarets. Huh. There's a mosque right across the way from the back of the compound. I swear, I'm gonna sneak over there, one night, and hook up a tape recorder to it with "Onward, Christian Soldiers" on a continuous loop, and snipe anyone who comes out to cut it off. Ramadan starts tomorrow, and I'm gonna get woke up at odd hours, every day, for the next month. Aaaagggghhhh......

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Tuesday, August 10, 2010, at 15:41:41 (ZULU)

Chuck: Bet you have the cosines already figured out (makes serious sense anyway) :D could have one of the guys clang a big arcade bell every time a BG gets nailed (or the Loony Tunes end song) - Have the guys make big time TX pig BBQ upwind at slow cooking at night nyuck

Bravo - wow interesting on the 25-06. I've got a question for you and will try the email here

fyi - this month's Handloader has an article on reloading slugs!

I wonder how a 3100 fps 125 NoslerBT would do on a coyote? <thinking out loud>

Kat Girl
Tuesday, August 10, 2010, at 18:58:13 (ZULU)

Kat Girl - when I was young and dumb, I had a 25-06 varmint rig built on an Enfield 30-06 bank-vault action, Fagen varmint laminate stock, with a thick Shilen barrel. The thing was very accurate and flat as a laser beam. In true Wierd Al style, it was easy to "teach p-dogs [instead of poodles] how to fly". It took one good year to trash that barrel.

For an antelope rifle, I think that the 25-06 might be as close to ideal as I'd ever need. Mostly because 200 rounds would be a LOT of dead antelope. FWIW, I don't 'go' anywhere.... just don't have much to say that hasn't been said in the last (ugh) 13 years or so.

KittyWhacker - great stuff!

You mean you get PAID to do that? Maybe they just trade you 'product' for time. Sounds like a Scarface quote (GRIN)

I'll have to look into the Dillon dies. For 5.56 NATO I just copied what you set me up with for 7.62 NATO years and years ago. Other than being dependent on Hornady One-Shot, everything has been A-OK so far!

So is it possible to remove all the overtravel from an XDm? Even better question - is it possible to remove all the 'value added' reset travel in the XDm? While I'm no fan of Sproingfeld Aromry, the XD and XDm are made in Croatia - I'd be willing to bet they're better quality than the standard Sproingfeld fare.

Bravo
Tuesday, August 10, 2010, at 19:10:44 (ZULU)

Lito,

Dillon offers a 'carbide' 3-die set, and a 'sizing only' die. Are you using the decapping/sizing die from the 3-die set, or are you using the 'sizing only' die? Is there a difference?

I've been using Dillon pistol dies for years, and have been very happy with the ease of use, and quality of the product.

Duman
Tuesday, August 10, 2010, at 23:53:55 (ZULU)

Duman...

The 223/5.56mm Carbide sizer dies were there when I got there, so I don't know how they were purchased, but I ordered just a sizer for myself (I have 14 .223 dies of different flavors - does that mean I'm ready for the .223/5.56mm twelve step program :))))))))))

I mostly use sizer dies without the decapper and follow up with a Lyman "M" die... cuz I polish the cases after sizing but before decapping cuz you can't get the damn corn cob stuffie out of the primer pockets if you polish after decapping :((((((((((((((((((

I finely broke down and spent a buck thirty for a Galco "Miami Mice" shoulder rig for myself. I love it! Everyone else hates it!

One of the pleasures of being 917 years old is you don't care what other people think anymore...

Don't walk behind me - I carry hammer up :)))))))))))

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 00:33:45 (ZULU)

I need a good, leather shoulder holster for a S&W model 610 10mm revolver. Any suggestions? I want a shoulder rig for it because it's a beast on a belt.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 03:30:13 (ZULU)

From the CMP Newsletter. In Memoriam--MASTER SGT. JARED N. VAN AALST Died August 4, 2010, Operation Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan. Master Sgt. Jared Van Aalst was born in Laconia, N.H., on Sept. 1, 1975. Two years after high school graduation, Van Aalst enlisted in the Army and later attended Ranger School. He went on to the Army's Sniper School and then served as a team leader, squad leader, instructor and shooter in the Army Marksmanship Unit. Van Aalst earned his Distinguished Rifleman Badge in 2004. In 2005, then-Staff Sgt. Van Aalst bested 147 other soldiers to win the service-rifle individual championship in the U.S. Army Small Arms Championships at Fort Benning. Van Aalst was assigned to the U.S. Army Special Operations Command out of Fort Bragg, N.C., and on his sixth overseas deployment.

Gooch
Hot Springs, AR, US of A - Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 13:56:16 (ZULU)

Hey whats the consensus on the Savage Precision Carbine? Thinking about building a varmint blaster off of one with one of the SWFA super sniper scopes. Going for the most bang for the bucks approach. YES I am bored and want to get back into shooting again... Was teaching my girlfriends son some basic combat pistol this weekend (He's going through Oklahoma State Police Academy) and zeroed her dads deer rifle and I think I got the bug. Dang and I was doing so well.. Haven t snorted Hoppes in years... Oh the shame..

Gooch
Hot Springs, AR, US of A - Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 14:09:46 (ZULU)

Gooch,

coincidentally, I just bought one of the P-Carbines in 223 and have a couple of hundred rounds through it to date. That will change! I traded out a Savage Predator in 223 (stock too soft) and pinned my hopes on the Carbine as a fun cheap rifle to get me to 500 and not eat up the barrel on my 6.5X47L. So far, I've been using up a bottle of H380 ('cause I had it) and various boolits. It will keep anything in less than MOA except the Hornady 55gr SP. It doesn't like those at all but so far (sound of knuckles on wood) everything else shoots well. I'm playing scope roulette right now but I will settle on something in the 3ish-12ish range with finger adjustments. NO MORE COIN adjustments!! The Accu-stock is much easier to shoot and doesn't have the flex the Predator stock had. The ejector spring is too weak but Savage has another on the way to me with no quibbling. It feeds all right from the mag, though I'm not using it as the rounds aren't ejecting and it's convenient to let them drop through the mag well. I hope to get it out tonight with some more loads and kind of run the gamut of powders and bullets to see what it won't shoot and then try tuning some useful bullet and powder combo to it, maybe V-max/Benchmark/COAL to mag length. I will try the heavier bullets as it has the twist for them and I want to see how the heavy Nosler Partitions shoot in it. Not my first choice for deer but if I have it in my hand with a tag burning a hole in my pocket...

More later as I learn but for now I'd say go for it, I'm happy with this one. As always YMMV :)

Kat Girl, 125 gr/3100 fps on coyotes? As I tell people about the 17 HMR on rabbits, it's a great round, just don't shoot them where you want to eat them! LOL

If the weather holds it's off to the range! Gotta drive around the bear poop in the road, the pink salmon are in the river that the range ends in. You want to watch your back a bit more than normal with ear protection in.

Good shooting to all,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 17:36:08 (ZULU)

I saved up some shekels and got a Lee hand press (used to have one) - then I remembered that I need a priming tool duh. No biggie, I'll either get that later or make a place for the Dillon.

don't know if this can be seen because it's on FB but Chuck's humor got me photo drawing and sent it to him ;) click

(oh and with you guys, you'll all be calculating in your heads)

Kat Girl
Nowhere, Fast, USA - Wednesday, August 11, 2010, at 21:29:58 (ZULU)

Charles Hunt...

I have one of these rigs (for a longer barrel) for a S&W M-27 with a 8-3/8" barrel - it's big, but the gun is big and too much gun for a belt holster (believe me I tried).

This one is for a 6" - 6.5" barrel - they come in many sizes.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=724853

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 02:45:45 (ZULU)

Charles S Hunt....Having tired of fighting spring loaded shoulder holsters when re-holstering (like the Bianchi X15), I've gravitated to the El Paso Saddlery 1942 tanker holster. I have three for revolvers. The Guides Choice, from Diamond D Leather, is another alternative I've been using with a 1911 recently. These are not concealment rigs but serve well for field use and either is great when carrying a pack. Give 'em a look.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 03:24:13 (ZULU)

A couple years back Andy and I were guests at this guy's place in SE Oregon. His method of carry and holster were very interesting. I've since got one for myself.

Haugen Handgun Leather, Bismarck, ND

As Markwell said, not for consealment but works great with a pack.

Kevin R. Mussack (Andy's Dad)
Clifton Springs, New Yawk, US of A - Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 10:13:39 (ZULU)

I have seen the Haugen rig Kevin mentions but have not had the opportunity to use one. The one I saw was very nicely done. I wouldn't mind having one but, how many holsters does one need? (don't answer that!) Anyway, I think the Haugen is called the Rancher Magnum Carry. It is very similar to the Diamond D Guides Choice I have for a 1911. If I didn't already have my most toted revolvers covered by Tankers I'd probably get another Guides choice for a 5 inch Model 29; or a Hougen rig, or...How many holsters does one really need??(Don't answer that.) Going to look at the Haugen web site.

outa here

Markwell

Markwell
the Alleghenies, WV, - Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 18:16:40 (ZULU)

Gooch, send me an phone number, address with ffl to ship to and I will send you a 24" SS Howa Tactical , in BxC Tactical Stock, scope mount and sling. No charge Shoots very well and I have more than I need. Its painted ugly but in great shape.

You have done alot ofr this country and I appreciate it.

Mike/Undude

email is dmmdnln at aol.com

mikemiller
ca, - Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 19:23:14 (ZULU)

@MikeMiller - you are a good man Charlie Brown

Kat Girl
Thursday, August 12, 2010, at 21:59:18 (ZULU)

Mike: Thank you for your generous gift to Gooch. You went above and beyond the call.

HDR
OK, - Friday, August 13, 2010, at 00:46:33 (ZULU)

Mike.....wow. That's nice. Gooch, take him up on it, Howa's a fine, though underrated, rifle.

Shoulder holsters: I need something for concealment when I'm tooling around Tejas. When I'm camping or out in the boonies, it's .308 all the way. A pistol is to distract 'em until I can dive for the long gun.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, August 13, 2010, at 03:26:44 (ZULU)

Chest Holster -

David Johnston's Guide Choice holster is the one I use when hiking, camping, and fishing in bear country when I can't carry a rifle.

Incredibly comfortable way to carry my 500 mag.

ltchip
Helena, MT, - Friday, August 13, 2010, at 05:48:10 (ZULU)

Safariland used to make excellent shoulder holsters, the model 100 and 101, IIRC. One was for autos, one for round guns. They used surgical elastic instead of springs for retention and the result was quite nice. Mine retained my model 29 through some acrobatic feats I'm not going to further describe nor dignify other than to say I was much younger then. Still got it, best way to tote the big iron.

Actually, diesel-electric boats (subs) can be harder to locate than nukes. Littoral waters (there has to be a less nerdy way to specify the AO) pose some special problems for detection also. There would also be issues with SUBROC in shallow waters. Or at least so say the info on this stuff available to those not in the biz. I think the crews will be the major issue. They don't have the experience base to compete with the big boys.

On the other hand, you don't need Gunther Prien to plug a supertanker and once the insurance folks get upset, oil flow is going to be severely impacted. Wonder how many nuclear depth charges we have? For when you care enough to send the very best.

WR Moore
Friday, August 13, 2010, at 14:38:56 (ZULU)

yes, it was easier to find and track the Typhoons than the Kilo-class boats. The biggies were fast, could run DEEP and were tough, but sounded like washing machines with marbles in them. Coming out of Murmansk, around Norway throught the UK-Faeros-Iceland gap, we could hear them on SOSUS almost all the way to the Azores! Added to that, the MK46 torps couldn't reach them at depth. However....they had to come up to launch, so we could tag them. Kilos, on the other hand, were a bitch to find and prosecute, they were so dang quiet. Our boomers and fast-attack subs are the epitome of quiet. Like black holes in the water. The whole time I was in P3's, I can't remember running across one.

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Friday, August 13, 2010, at 15:39:18 (ZULU)

Sergeant Sherri Gallagher, United States Army Marksmanship Unit, has won the 2010 NRA National Highpower Rifle Championships with a record-setting score of 2396 - 161X (of a possible 240 shots worth 2400 - 240X).

sinister
Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 01:44:40 (ZULU)

"Kilos, on the other hand, were a bitch to find and prosecute, they were so dang quiet. "

We have Jonathon Pollard to thank for that improvement to the Soviet submarines.

Sinister: That's great news, it's impressive to shoot that well.

Duman
Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 15:03:27 (ZULU)

This month's Handloader magazine is a gem: Propellant profiles - Varget, 10 mm bullets/brass, 40SW Rx for Glocks, reloading 12ga slugs, 33-35s, 30-06 150-155gr loads and more. Nice wish list restaurant reading! Wish they still had Tactical Shooter out there

Kat Girl
Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 21:33:56 (ZULU)

Pollard Info:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/576453/posts

Let us not forget our friends at Toshiba, who some how let the Soviets get hold of their latest CNC milling technology.

This allowed the Soviets to make quieter props just like we had.

Regards,

Steve

Steven Dzupin
Gaithersburg, Mary Land, Usa - Sunday, August 15, 2010, at 08:50:06 (ZULU)

Toshiba is in business to do the best it can. It's our fault we don't source that equipment domestically.

The Israeli's wanted Bill Clinton to pardon Pollard. Thankfully, that didn't happen.

Duman
Sunday, August 15, 2010, at 19:41:08 (ZULU)

Sinister: "Sergeant Sherri Gallagher, United States Army Marksmanship Unit, has won the 2010 NRA National Highpower Rifle Championships with a record-setting score of 2396 - 161X (of a possible 240 shots worth 2400 - 240X)."

Your Sgt. Gallager comes from GoodStock(tm) (pun ON) Her Mom is Nancy Gallager and her stepdad is Mid Thompkins, both of some fame in National Match circles.

Our country is blessed by her (Sherri's) service, and by many more of similar caliber (pun^2).

That's a friggin' incredible score!

I hear tell she has a sister.

Mike

BMG_Mike
Austx, - Sunday, August 15, 2010, at 23:24:42 (ZULU)

Hi ya'll, sorry been so scarce lately. I went into the Wichita health spa for some pictures. They had bypasses on special so I couldn't help but take advantage of the sale. Soon as this 7" hole heals up I'll be more sociable.

Yote
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 00:40:43 (ZULU)

Please heal fast Bill!

Kat Girl
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 01:23:51 (ZULU)

Greetings,

Shoulder Holster Country: Not flasy ov expensive, but eagle make nice, comfortable baliistic nylon shoulder hoslster. I have one I have used a lot, great for when in a acar. I usually prefer leather for shoulder hosters, but theirs work good.

Fishing Country: Just got back from fishing with my daughter. We both caught out limit of trout. Stocker and not huge, but it is great to get a kid on a fish. I don't get enough days like these.

Pat II
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 02:05:13 (ZULU)

Yote,

Hang in there old buddy. I tried that routine once myself and found it wasn't a whole lot of fun. Whatever you do, DO NOT SNEEZE!!!

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Monday, August 16, 2010, at 04:02:15 (ZULU)

'yote: Your turn to get your brisket split with a bone saw, huh? You'll heal right up.

CDC'
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 04:46:53 (ZULU)

'Yote.....you played that off well! "Oh, that little thing? I was impaled by a raging bull elephant and dragged across the savannah for a mile. It's nothing, just a scratch!" That's good.....

Well, WSI is no longer in contention for the new security contract here. I'm thinking Xe or TC. No worries, but everyone is sweating that we'll have to take a new PT test for the changeover. Now, I'm not opposed to fitness, as such, but believe it is best exemplified by teenagers at the beach. I quit running when the Chief said I could carry a gun all day. Now, it's 4 miles of walk/jog/run at 6000 feet. I'm too old for this shit. I wonder if WalMart has a good job in Loss prevention....?

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Monday, August 16, 2010, at 13:59:57 (ZULU)

Hunt: I thought that you said that you didn't want to go back to California? I guess it's a bit different when visiting SC friends, huh? :)

My son-in-law is over in Kandahar. He said that things get rather interesting there right now. Be careful.

Storm
San Antonio, TX, USA - Monday, August 16, 2010, at 16:19:38 (ZULU)

Yote: Heal fast so the yotes on the prairie don’t get to comfortable.

HDR
Bartlesville, OK, - Monday, August 16, 2010, at 16:27:37 (ZULU)

Gooch,

more Precision Carbine country,

with Hornady's 50 gr V-max and H335 (I ran out of H380) it will stay at about 3/4 MOA to 200 yds. Even better: the Sierra 55 gr Gameking HP will happily stay under 1/2 MOA at 200. I only had two 5 rd groups to try this but you can bet there will be more. These two were shot at different times during the evening, in good conditions (save for the bugs) and I'm still very happy with the little rifle. I still need to come up with a scope to keep on it but it will do for now. I need more of the Sierras and want to try them on stuff (water jugs or soaked paper) to see how tough they are. I'm guessing not very but this is a fun rifle not a deer gun. Besides, we had a sow Kodiak and two cubs wander across the range last night. A 223 with any bullet is not up this task. And, of course, it was a rimfire match so we are all sitting there with our single-shot 22s with huge scopes and tuners with nearly 2K pounds of bears about 140 yards away. Fun for all hands!

Kat Girl, C.L.T. That was the best laugh I've had in a long time! You crack me up.

Charles, you take care out there. As you already know you are a stranger in a strange land.

Best to all,

Erik

Erik in Kodiak
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 18:20:37 (ZULU)

Doc. Too late! Ouch!

I think they had a dull saw!

Yote
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 18:41:09 (ZULU)

Yote,

If they installed a zipper, there's more to come. If not, you're good to go. :8-D

Duman
Monday, August 16, 2010, at 19:15:40 (ZULU)

Well it looks like a zipper and there's a hole about the size of a HBV rifle barrel there too. I don't know why they didn't install a bottle opener in that one. I sure was glad they caught me asleep while they did that stuff. I'm trying to get back some of my wind. (from about 10 years ago). I've been considering a 25 yard walk a marathon for the past 5 years or so. I'm up to about quarter of a mile now and still working on it. They say it's about done for as far as bypass surgery goes but the surgeon thinks it will outlast the rest of me so who knows. My diet is simple. If it tastes like food I spit i out.

Yote
Tuesday, August 17, 2010, at 03:28:24 (ZULU)

Yote: I do hope it feels better than it sounds. It's making my legs tingle brrr. Take care of yourself!!!

Erik - glad I could give you a chuckle. "Light and crispy on the outside, with a chewy carrion'y center"

Kat Girl
Tuesday, August 17, 2010, at 04:44:13 (ZULU)

Storm....there's beer involved. 'Nuff said.......

Charles S. Hunt
Kabul, , Afghanistan - Tuesday, August 17, 2010, at 07:07:20 (ZULU)

Kat: Having your sternum sawed in half and your ribcage mechanically jacked wide open is as fun as it sounds. The pain meds are worse than the pain. I recommend generic tylenol from Wal-Mart.

After mine, a nice young nurse had to remove tape from my arm. She looked me in the eye and said sympathetically, "It's going to hurt".

That still makes me smile.

CDC'
Tuesday, August 17, 2010, at 16:37:35 (ZULU)

Lito - I'm still trying to make complete sense of the disconnect between your statements about the 223 AI and other's enthusiasm for the loading. I did want to make it a point to say thank you for your input....it gave me pause to re-think some assumptions I was making.

So, with that said....if I opted to back away from the 223 AI and happened to have a rem 700 action (with a 223 bolt)....what says the group about perhaps a 6mmBR? How do they run as repeaters in a remmy action? I wonder if I could find a swap for a .473 bolt

medicjim
Tuesday, August 17, 2010, at 18:38:19 (ZULU)

Jim, Lookie here !

http://www.6mmbr.com/Rem700magfix.html

PTG makes replacement bolts.

I've got 6mm BR on a Remy 700 but use it as a single shot.

Accuracy is fantastic !!!

Regards,

Steve

Steven Dzupin
Ridgewood, New Joisey, Usa - Wednesday, August 18, 2010, at 01:07:23 (ZULU)

Gooch, never got an email from you on the rifle?

Yote get well soon.

Doc, finally said I can start shooting again.

Undude/Mike

Mike Miller
ca, - Wednesday, August 18, 2010, at 19:00:04 (ZULU)

CDC

Had almost exactly the same experience!

Tape fright just isn't something you worry about a lot.:) the tylonol is also what I preferred. Harder stuff just didn't work quite right. My biggest hurdle is getting some of my wind back.Went in for blood work this morning and the lab sent me to .ER because I was so out of breath. jJust been a while since I could get around right.

Mike good news I'll be glad when I get back to shooting Hope you have that behind you now. Thanks Kat

yote
Thursday, August 19, 2010, at 18:50:05 (ZULU)

Good to see you up and around 'Yotebait!

Now don't do that again.

You need something, just say so!

Don't thank me guys, I'm just delivering the news:

http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Hoppes-No-9-air-freshener_2352-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Kittywhacker - for YOU, I recommend that you don't buy one to hang from the rear view mirror of the jungletruck.

For YOU, I recommend that you buy TWO, and give them as a gift set of ear rings to the new girlie!

Bravo
Thursday, August 19, 2010, at 19:47:40 (ZULU)

Yote,

After my little "fun" episode I was having a rough time in cardiac rehab. I had always been short winded; but this time it was really bad. One of the sweet young nurses got me an appointment with a lung specialist and I found out that I had asthma/COPD! Forty years of Lucky Strikes hadn't helped matters. As I grumbled about the diagnosis at age sixty-four, she looked me in the eye and said," How would you have liked to hear that when you were sixteen?". I quit bitching and thanked her for getting me back to reality.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The steamy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Thursday, August 19, 2010, at 21:13:35 (ZULU)

Just read a quote, "They're on our left, they're on our rieght, they're in front of us, they're behind us.... they can't get away this time." Lt. Gen. "Chesty" Puller

Doc, I had a similar experience. Was suffocating one night, made an appointment, discovered I had COPD my entire life. No wonder I was always tired and winded. BUt... feeling good!

Surgeries... I was getting ready for a surgery earlier this year, had a drop-dead-gorgeous nurse doing the pre-op questionnaire. She says, "OK, take off your clothes, and I'll get your vitals." I raised an eyebrow and smiled, she turned beet-red, and said... "Umm.. that didn't quite come out right."

My loss. :8-D

Duman
Thursday, August 19, 2010, at 22:03:52 (ZULU)

MedicJim...

Sorry for not answering for a bit - my internet service was changed because of the pending move and I lost over 300 emails - any of you guys not get an answer to an email sent after the 13th, resend it (same email address), and I will get it.

Now, regarding the disconnect between what "everyone" says about the 223 AI, and what I said.

The Ackley improved cartridges are a religion to many newbee "wildcatters" - you can be different and have something special, and yet do it without much technical knowledge or special case forming stuff. The AI is usually the first step, and may or may NOT be followed by real wildcats.

Now here's the thing - AI cartridges offer a bit more velocity than the parent cartridge - some give almost nothing, others give maybe 15%. The 223 AI is in the former category. There is a little improvement, but noting you will see in the field.

They also offer some improvement in case life due to the sharper shoulder... but no one that I know of has complained about case life with the standard 223.

SO... you get to tell all the guys at the range that you have an "AI", but you get little for your bucks, and quality dies for the AI are very pricey.

If you want more umpff from a .380" (.222/.223) bolt face, then go to a .222 Mag, and go the AI route for it - it will give you lots more, plus a better neck.

The 6mmBR - NOW you are talking - a premium barrel with a no turn neck chamber, and with lapua brass and you are really in God's country - I would NOT be without a 6mmBR!

http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/Hoppes-No-9-air-freshener_2352-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Speaking of God's country - I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED one :)))

Maybe more than one!!

'lito (Meow-ski)

CatShooter
Spring has sprung, da' creek has riz, I wonder where dem kitties is? - Friday, August 20, 2010, at 01:58:53 (ZULU)

Well Doc, they told me I have COPD too. Never smoked at all but I think it's mostly just caused by a medicine change. I had that moisture retention thing under control and they changed it at the surgery hospital. Went in for some tests yesterday and wound up in ER because I was so out of breath. My regular Doctor changed me back to my old medicine and I'm doing better already but I've had no wind for 5 years or so. It's a real critical balance of what works and what doesn't;

Thanks Bravo, I think I was lucky to make it through this one. My ICD device was keeping me alive but they finally caught the blockage and fixed it. It will be wonderful if I can recover some and do some more hunting and get around a little. If not I guess I haven't lost anything.

Yote
Friday, August 20, 2010, at 14:16:51 (ZULU)

At this rate the sites going to need to be rebranded as "Surgery Country".

WR Moore
Friday, August 20, 2010, at 23:45:52 (ZULU)

Everythin is cool as long as the Doorman doesnt ask for body parts to make the cover charge.... :)

UnPat

UnPat
Wi, USA - Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 10:09:24 (ZULU)

Sorry, for the whinning guys! Still a little drugged up I guess.

Yote
Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 14:40:29 (ZULU)

Yoke,

Anyone that goes through major surgery is entitled to a little latitude. Hope you feel better soon.

medicjim
Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 15:01:25 (ZULU)

You aren't whining, Bill. You are healing up and driving on. Getting your brisket split is non-trivial. It is only natural to comment on it. If you want to see whining watch a vid of a heart-patient support group. Have a hankie close.

While you are lying around doing nothing, do me a favor: Click my name and give me a technical critique of the info in my screen debut. It is raw, unedited footage.

CDC'
Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 18:05:34 (ZULU)

CDC; good job. Believable flick. I just got to say until you did the cheek welder nothing ever fit me right and I had just learned how to skirt around the problem always costing me something in recoil or steadiness. My bull neck just took the strain but the Cheek pieces I've gotten from you put my eye right in the middle of that cross hair and it makes a lot of difference in comfort and shooting more accurate goes hand in hand. I confess I've sold a lot of my big rifles just because of the wear and tear on my shoulder parts but I've even got one on my little Savage .17 hmr and that makes a lot of difference in the comfort level shooting the pd's. I don't think I HAD that gun in the field when Doc was here. It is such a build up it looks a little funny but it feels like a feather pillow. MY model 7 .204 is the only rifle I shoot without one but it simply fits perfect without it. (I didn't even know that it did until I got to comparing it against the rifles with the cheek pieces on. Good point in the filf about being able to clean from the breech end vs. those duct tape jobs. Anyone that hasn't tried one needs to do it. It will help your shooting and the fatigue that goes with it.

Yote
Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 22:18:50 (ZULU)

All this talk about surgery here, and I just heard that Piggy Pete has just recently had surgery too.

Except I'm thinking that he got the bottom end of that deal!

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb, Canuckistania - Saturday, August 21, 2010, at 22:32:11 (ZULU)

Where is everybody...?

Sharon

Larry J. Porter
Boonies of the Panhandle, Texas, USA!!!! - Tuesday, August 24, 2010, at 14:20:59 (ZULU)

MarcS

Figure you're in the midwest???

Have barrel and mag. parts. Have talked to Todd at Manners and I think we're ready to go. Hope I can talk Todd into building me a stock with no cheek piece. Anyway, call me when you get a chance.

ASC is less than two weeks out.

outa here

Markwell
The Alleghenies, WV, - Tuesday, August 24, 2010, at 14:52:03 (ZULU)

Guys,

You know I’m not ‘big’ on asking anything OF you.

This time I’m going to make an exception.

Found out earlier today that the kiddo is going to have to go through something tomorrow that’ll probably be traumatic for him. At least I think it will be – it would be for me.

I’m hoping that he’ll be OK with it, but I’d sure appreciate it if you’d include him in your prayers.

I know the Good Lord looks out for us, but there’s comfort in knowing the ‘where two or more are gathered in my name’ part applies….

I have faith that we’ll have some great news here soon.

Bravo
Tuesday, August 24, 2010, at 19:43:56 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Anytime, consider it done!

Sean T.
Winnipeg, Mb, Canada - Tuesday, August 24, 2010, at 22:26:09 (ZULU)

Bravo - sending the good will and best wishes West-ward...

medicjim
Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 00:39:20 (ZULU)

Bravo,

You got it sir.

Cheers,

Doc

Doc Holloway
The balmy Ozark boonies, MO, USA - Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 00:40:50 (ZULU)

Bravo: Of course - sending my best wishes and thoughts your way

Kat Girl
Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 02:11:01 (ZULU)

God bless you, Bravo. Prayers for the Kiddo, and al around him.

SSG Mac
Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 04:49:44 (ZULU)

Bravo,

Prayers in agreement with you are 'sent.' Matt. 18:18-20

Mark

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 19:41:39 (ZULU)

Bravoski.......

Sent you an interRoster email. If you need anything just holler.

Pistol Packin NaNa........

Chicken Lady now has a Ruger LCP to go with her G32(now wants to trade it for a left handed G23). Plus of all things she wants a left handed AR because she doesn't like brass flying across her face and being handed-challenged all the buttons are in the wrong place. Where does it end????

Garden and heat......

It appears both are petering out and will soon be time to get back behind the trigger. I'm so rusty all my parts are frozen together.

Boltsterooski out!

Bolt
Somewhere west of Greensboro, NC, - Wednesday, August 25, 2010, at 23:49:56 (ZULU)

Re: FDAC (Field Density Altitude Compensator)

This may interest some of you.

(click my name)

Mk4
Texas, United States of America - Thursday, August 26, 2010, at 03:16:23 (ZULU)

(US) EPA considering ban on lead-cored ammunition.

http://www.nssfblog.com/epa-considering-ban-on-traditional-ammunition-take-action-now/

Public comment being solicited.

rod regier